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Author Topic: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!  (Read 1145 times)

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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2011, 09:12:00 PM »
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or really overwhelmed by the presence of all those other experienced archery Gods watching him shoot.

AW  why 20 yards.  
At the risk of not explaining myself well, it's because I feel it lies inside the comfort zone of most trad bow shooters and it's inside where the lesser poundage bows will begin to drop.  I guess I am saying everyone should strive to be at least efficient at 20 yards.  But, it's like I said, it's my OPINION
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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2011, 09:12:00 PM »
Doing the right thing is not always the popular choice but is the right choice.
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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2011, 09:42:00 PM »
Its a difficult one for sure .

I know a couple of things and have opinions on others .. lol

* I know a bunch of guys who leave for the day to go hunting with four arrows in their quiver , come back with 3 arrows in the evening and for a change of clothes because they have to dress their game ... and these guys are awful shots on any targets , particularly in front of others . So I am hesitant to judge someone on their shooting in front of others, particularly those they don't know ...
Mind you spraying 3 foot groups at 15 yards is pushing the envelope for "minding ones own business" ... lol

* Dressing a guy down in front of others is never called for , nor effective

* its our responsibility to look after our own ethics and behaviours , not others . If offering advice , which may be the best option ,  is thrown back at you then there isn't much else anyone can do ?

*Someone wanting to hunt and being a newbie , and someone just not caring are different ...

* Having a private  word with the outfitter seems the best course of action .
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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2011, 10:33:00 PM »
the bear that he gut shot; was it the one he was even aiming at?  :(

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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2011, 11:28:00 PM »
Alot of bowhunters just starting out should not have any business bowhunting till they reach a certain level of accuracy. But sadly in todays "make it quick" mentality there are hunters who shouldnt even be hunting with a firearm.

If I was the guide I would have stuck him in the thickest place I could find and would have told everyone that according to how my client shoots dictates how far away from the shot area I can put them.Maybe he would get the hint. Then I would have put heavily used clothing in a circle around his area. Guides need to keep these scent deterants on hand for just such a thing.

I just wonder how often things like this actually happen. Not often I hope.

I know it was eating you up inside but in my opinion it was the guides job to handle tis.
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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #65 on: November 11, 2011, 02:35:00 AM »
Looper has it spot on. The shame of it is...a wounded bear.

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« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2011, 08:49:00 AM »
There is a wheelie rich guy hunting on the same land as us. He shoots at deer way after and before good legal light. Three gut shot deer, including a large 10 pointer that was still alive after four days, looking very sick and bloated. The excuse was always the same 'couldn't see through the peep sight, but my set up is better than yours any day of the week". that's right, I cannot stand him, arrogance and ignorance are quite often close companions. The results were three high and left guesser shots. With a newbie on a trad bow it could have been a different deal, i had for a time myself, that I could not shoot very good groups when I was in a group of others watching me.  However, I went 5 years in a row without missing a shot on a deer, while I had that flinch.  Without getting that shooter into a personable calm surrounding and to a point where he would trust and accept your input, you could not tell how he would behave in the woods.  Critical comments from anything less than trusted personal friends would probably not be welcomed or accepted. The suggestions have to be made from the perspective as to what is fare to the animal and not from the position of taking a higher authority like a religious zealot accusing someone of not being worthy.  Although, as in our case, some can get defensive before anything is even said.

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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2011, 09:11:00 AM »
It would be great if every one had enough respect for the animals to know there limits with what ever weapon they are shooting. There are always a few bad apples that don't get it. I put down my recurve for the year cause my shooting went down hill this summer, I'm fairly sure it was mental thing. I'm hunting this fall with a compound and I'm fine with that and I feel I did right thing.

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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2011, 09:32:00 AM »
I think I would have tried to coach the bad shooter being careful to do it in a spirit of brotherhood and not arrogance. Having said that I believe it is ultimately the guides decision.

This kind of "slob" hunting exists in all choices of weapons. I used to live in a town in the middle of great hunting country in Michigan. The local discount store was jammed the night before opening day with people buying guns and ammo because they had decided to give hunting a try.I feel the best way to defeat this is education and example.

As for proficiency tests, I dont have a problem at all with an outfitter or guide requiring one, but I do have a problem with the government requiring one. the reason is the government one will almost never be designed by a traditional bowhunter. It will be written by a government employee who was hired for  good computer skills, political affiliation or the ability to kiss the right backside. What you wind up with is a test at 30-40 yards from a platform at a small target.
Again,whatever we do whether its "advising" the guide or coaching the shooter , attitude is everything. you catch more flys with honey than with vinegar.

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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2011, 10:35:00 AM »
I agree with joe ashton, any outfitter/guide that gives a rip about his reputation, and the animals,  would be the person to address this. Unfortunately, some folks are just concerned about the money....nothing else.

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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2011, 11:55:00 AM »
If we do not police ourselves - someone else will.

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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2011, 12:03:00 PM »
Am with some of the other guys points also where the guide should have stood up and done something about the situation.
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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #72 on: November 12, 2011, 04:07:00 AM »
Well, we pretty much followed the guide 80 miles into the brush in our trucks. We were pointed out the bait. Told where the stands were placed and left alone to hunt for the week.??
The same guy I am talking about also delamed his top limb by dry firing his bow several times. His knocks were waaay to loose. I was kinda excited about it..Just the A$#hole in me until he took out his backup bow...:0(
But the thing that really bothered me was .. and I can't believe that I am saying this is that he was friends and invited by one of the Higher Ups in the PBS. Which made matters worse.
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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #73 on: November 12, 2011, 06:42:00 AM »
I could understand your hesitation, however, I never respect anyone based on their title and considering what they are supposed to stand for one of them should have stepped up to the plate. I know it is tough for some to get critical when feeling the pressures of a cast system hierarchy, when there are big shots present. It would have been fun to mess with their hair after their buddy screwed up.
Or does 'pbs' mean public broadcasting service, in that case, you should have told them all to home.

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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #74 on: November 12, 2011, 06:54:00 AM »
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Well, we pretty much followed the guide 80 miles into the brush in our trucks. We were pointed out the bait. Told where the stands were placed and left alone to hunt for the week.??
The same guy I am talking about also delamed his top limb by dry firing his bow several times. His knocks were waaay to loose. I was kinda excited about it..Just the A$#hole in me until he took out his backup bow...:0(
But the thing that really bothered me was .. and I can't believe that I am saying this is that he was friends and invited by one of the Higher Ups in the PBS. Which made matters worse.
geez louise, this sad saga just gets all the worse, for sure ...
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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2011, 07:56:00 AM »
Like has already been said this is a tough one. I'm not the type of person to start barking at people but I do like to help.  I also like to listen and learn from people who are knowledgeable.
 People who talk a lot aren't always knowledgeable   ;)   That being said I have found that a lot of people are threatened by input or advice.  Depends in the fella.
As far as proficiency test, this fall I was at moose camp with my guide the day before the hunt.  I asked if he wanted to see me shoot so he would know what he's working with. He said if I was comfortable with go ahead.  he doesn't ask guys to shoot in front of him because a lot of fellas say they can't shoot well with someone watching them.  If you can't handle the pressure of people watching how do you handle the pressure of the hunt?   Joe
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Re: Speak up or keep your mouth shut???!!
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2011, 08:45:00 AM »
I'm sure you did fine by keeping quiet. It's been my experience that shooters such as him will get disgusted and quit or refine their skills.

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