450 spine carbon?

[Dan Adair]

Pretty much sums it up.

All I could find in the ballpark was the new Easton ACC Pro 440, which is working good, but they might as well be GCC's (Gold Carbon)

Anybody know if there's something else I'm missing?

[Steve O]

Well, leave 400s long or use a heavier broadhead?  You are an elk guy, a heavy broadhead is only going to help.

[Dan Adair]

True...  I run the 400 MFXs on a 60# set of limbs with a 100 grain insert and 150 Werewolves.  I have no doubt that 560 grains of arrow going 185 FPS will punch through an Elk...

However....  I'm also an avid 3D competitor, and now have a 52# set of limbs just for competition that do a really nice job launching 425 grain arrows 198 FPS  :D   I was just hoping I could find something cheaper than the ACC Prohunters.  500's are noodles, and 400's without a bunch of weight are too stiff.  I'm not the first guy that's lusted after such a spined arrow.

[AdAstraAiroh]

Dan,

Two possible options for your 3D arrow needs:

Very lightweight Carbon Tech Cheetah 400 shafts (6.4 gpi) left at  their full length of 32" with whatever point weight you need to get them to spine correctly.

Carbon Express Blue Streak 250 shafts (spine of .413) left full length at 32 3/4".

Long shafts, increasing your bows brace height, reducing the side plate thickness on your bow, and the additional of a smaller strand FF string (example:SBD 8 strand) will all increase the required arrow spine to get to use the .400 arrows.

Mark

[Dan Adair]

I've often wondered if I'm the only person whose of the opinion that the more you push the envelope on your set-up, the pickier it gets???

[Lamey]

CE 150s are something like a 487 deflection.

[atatarpm]

No you are not. The more you try to bring anything to it's greatest potentual

[atatarpm]

No you are not. The more you try to bring anything to it's greatest potentual the more picky it is going to be. Is the reward  worth the effort? Only you will decide that.

[Steve O]

Originally posted by Dan Adair:
I've often wondered if I'm the only person whose of the opinion that the more you push the envelope on your set-up, the pickier it gets???

Yep.  Exactly.

[Dan Adair]

I know its one of those things in shooting a trad bow that you can't define.  But after being at it for a couple decades, you just get a feel for a stable set-up...

Even the difference between both sets of limbs on my Silvertip, cracking 198 on the 52# limbs compared to 185 with a heavy arrow on the 60's, its hard to believe its the same bow.  The 52's with a light arrow are more tempermental...  I'm not upset about that, because when I shoot my other set-up it seems really easy.

[xtrema312]

I have looked and not found anything.  I would love a 450 spine carbon.  I think a lot of people could use them for more options.  With my draw length, bow center cut, and draw weight, I can’t quiet work with the 500 without it getting under 8 gpp.  I can shoot them in an ILF bow for targets, but not my wood bows.  I could drop a little bow weight, build out the side plate a lot and/or maybe cut my shafts shorter than I would for a hunting arrow, but I like to shoot the same bow for everything and not have to mess with side plates to go from target to hunting set-up.  With the 400 shaft I end up with an arrow just over 600 gr., 23% FOC, and 12 gpp.  It is a great shooting hunting arrow.  I have a target arrow with a longer shaft and lighter point, but I don’t care for a lot of extra shaft out front; for some reason I don’t shoot as well with them.  I would rather have what I think is a great hunting arrow at my preferred shaft length than a 8-9 gpp target arrow and have to build a 14 gpp hunting arrow as the only other option for a preferred arrow length carbon hunting arrow.

[Dan Adair]

Agreed...

Especially these days with so many new traditionalists, I'm suprised the industry doesn't give us a 450 spine carbon.  In a prefect world, it'd take S nocks too