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Author Topic: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question  (Read 630 times)

Offline gregg dudley

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2012, 11:13:00 PM »
Leave it...
It is part of the bow's history.  

Most of the Fred Bear signatures tha I have seen on bows include inscriptions/dedications.
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Offline Jack Guard

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2012, 07:42:00 AM »
I never have understood why people have issues shooting a bow with someone else's name on it.  All of my bows except one has another name on it.  that how it goes when you buy a previously owned bows.  its part of each bows history.  each scratch, ding and name.  

Additionally i cant imagine altering a bow that has Fred Bears inscriptions.  Its a piece of Archery history.

Shane, enjoy that bow for what it is. Don't alter a thing.  

I can just imagine sitting around a camp fire with Fred, at the end of a long and satisfying days hunt.  After you crawl into your sleeping bag in your tent, Fred sneaks out and signs your bow, laughing and wondering when you will notice.
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2012, 08:47:00 AM »
I had a friend who was once the top shooter in the county and was sponsored by Bear Archery in the 60s and 70s if I remember right. His name was Al Condiff and he went by the nickname "Big Al", even had this nickname embroidered on his jeans back pockets.

Al and his wife Viola won a total of 7 national championships, 35 state championships, had too many second and third place finishes to count.

Unfortunately Al passed away a couple years ago from a heart attack at 76 years of age.

Al had amassed a sizable collection of archery stuff over the years. As his health deteriorated and money got tight I sold a bunch of stuff for him on the net to ease his financial burden, Al didn't have internet access.

Al used to brag that he could out shoot Fred Asbel so I asked Fred if he knew Al at the Spring Fling last week, he remembered him well.

Al was never at a loss for words, matter of fact he could really get on one's nerves with his non stop talking. Al was a motor mouth to put it mildly, usually patting himself on the back for his past accomplishments.

In spite of his "gift for gab" he had a heart of gold and devoted the majority of his life to promoting archery and bringing kids into the sport.

He was still a great shot(wheels)in the year he died. He had perfect 20-20 vision and didn't wear glasses in spite of his advanced age.

Al told me a museum in Illinois had a display of his national championship trophies and a profile about his archery accomplishments. In his day he was the best.

I highly suspect the inscription on your bow is to the "Big Al" I knew. Al told me he spent a lot of time at Bear Archery having bows built for him. He was a big guy(long draw) and said they got upset with him for breaking so many bows.

Al's widow lives just down the road from me. I will check with her to see if the inscription might be to her "Big Al".

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2012, 09:28:00 AM »
this is a cool mystery / Investigation
please keep this thread updated
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2012, 05:54:00 PM »
Bingo! I just called Viola, she said her and Al spent a lot of time with Fred Bear and that Fred did inscribe a bow for Al like is mentioned in this thread.

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2012, 06:16:00 PM »
I would not change one small speck of anything on that bow...

This is cool stuff.
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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2012, 09:45:00 PM »
You own a piece of history, dont change it. IMO
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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2012, 09:46:00 PM »
You own a piece of history, dont change it. IMO
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Offline Shane Reed

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2012, 12:32:00 AM »
the previous owners name was Alvin Wallner. He had a sporting goods store in LA. The guy hunted only once with Fred as I have been told.

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2012, 12:54:00 AM »
Just change your name to Al and call it done!

I wouldn't change a thing.

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2012, 07:13:00 AM »
Great idea Skipmaster1......
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Offline Shane Reed

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2012, 11:08:00 AM »
Skip,
 I don't know if the name Al or Big Al could even grow on me ;o)

Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2012, 01:33:00 PM »
Could you post a picture of the inscription?I could show it to Viola to see if it rings a bell.

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2012, 07:45:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Shane Reed:
if it was to turn out
 a fake i just drove up 66 kodiak prices. I do need to find someone to authenticate. Suggestions would be appreciated.
Trust me on this one.......you contributed no impact to the prices on 66 or any other year Kodiak.  As many of the collectors are aware, this is "prime time".....right on the cusp of spring and tax time.  Keep an eye on Bear recurves on the big auction over the next two months or so and prepare to be amazed when it comes to nice or rare bows.  It has already started.

BTW - you did well, price wise.  Fred's signature appears authentic.  The inscription is probably as well.  As for the inscription, post a good photo of the riser so Eric can try to get that part authenticated as he requested.
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2012, 08:55:00 AM »
Another thing, Al was 76 when he died but Viola is currently only 63, Al was 27 when he married a then 15 year old Viola. Nothing wrong with her memory, she is sharp as a tack.

They never had kids or owned a house, they crossed the country in a travel trailer Al's entire working career, I think he was an insulating contractor. When they weren't on a job they competed in archery tournaments where ever they happened to be at the time.

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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2012, 09:07:00 AM »
Very cool story - sounds like Big Al and Viola had some exciting times.  Keep the bow as is.  

It amazing how this internet stuff can bring all this info together so fast!
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Re: Fred Bear Autograph Signature signed ? Question
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2012, 01:29:00 AM »
bow will be in on the seventh. I have a surprise for you all! I made another connection and have not only a mint never shot 77 super grizzly signed by Fred to another famous guy,  a signed picture to him and a bunch of other hunting pics of Fred with this guy on the way to me soon. Tell all when they arrive. Keep an eye on this thread in near future.

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