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Offline stevewills

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wow i sure have changed
« on: October 21, 2012, 09:49:00 AM »
in my earlier bowhunting years last night would have been a failure,as of lately it was a great night..got to my farm and was paying attention to the wind as i helped my father in law move a busted block from a massey to30 he is restoring.well as i helped he asked me if i would mind hunting a little piece of land he has down by a creek and watch for people tresspassing..didnt realy want to sit here but i figure what the heck..well i got down there at 2:30 and noticed a flat coming off of two ridges next to the creek,well i got in there seen like 10 scrapes in this flat area and some osage that you couldnt get your armms around.found a nice walnut to climb up with my lonewolf with a huge bunch of osage snarled limbs for back cover.bout 4 oclock i caught some movement behind me and seen a huge red fox,it had the biggest tail i have ever seen,as big as its body..then i seen 7 turkeys,and a small buck.it seems the longer im in the stand i notice the beauty of nature,its creatures.i didnt pull my string on anything but i had a great night....as for the tresspasser all i seen was a truck creaping at dusk with the passenger window down....great night
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2012, 09:59:00 AM »
Sounds like a very pleasant way to spend the evening to me.
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2012, 10:05:00 AM »
There has been some great research done on the progession path many hunters take throughout their lifetimes. I'll post two versions of the study below.

For me personally, after bowhunting for 33 years and having gone from one who never passed a legal deer to one who passes most bucks today, the counter-intuitive lesson I've learned is the more game I pass, the more game I see. And the more game I see, the more I learn about all species in the area and the forest as a whole.

The Five Stages of the Hunter

The heart and soul of the American deer hunter has been defined by researchers. Some twenty years ago Deer & Deer Hunting reported on a study done by Drs. Robert Jackson and Robert Norton from the LaCrosse campus of the University of Wisconsin. After interviewing over 1,000 deer hunters they concluded that America's deer hunters pass through 5 stages in their lifetime deer hunting journey. They are as follows:

1. The Shooter Stage: This is when the hunter begins. They need to have some success and be able to have a level of accomplishment.

2. The Limiting Out Stage: From stage one most hunters progress to this stage. In stage two the hunter's goal is to harvest as many animals as is legally possible.

3. The Trophy Stage: In this stage the hunter has enough knowledge of his quarry that he begins to exhibit selectivity in his hunt. Bigger antlers and a keen knowledge of stewarding the whitetail resource begin to take center stage in the deer hunter's life at this point.

4. The Method Stage: By the time a hunter reaches Stage 4 he is beginning to mellow out. With many autumns under his belt he begins to become more interested in how he hunts. Understanding deer behavior also becomes paramount during this stage.

5. The Sportsman Stage: By the time a hunter hits this stage he truly knows who he is. He knows deer behavior, has killed many deer, has probably become involved in the preservation of hunting and makes a conscious effort to see that hunting is passed on to the next generation. This is also the stage when many deer hunters become involved as managers of their own deer hunting properties. I've often viewed this stage as the reflective stage.

Though all five stages can stand alone, stages three through five can be and often are interwoven.

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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2012, 10:06:00 AM »
Here is a bit more detailed version...

The 5 Stages of a Hunter

Hunters change through the years. Factors used to determine “successful hunting” change as well for each hunter. A hunter’s age, role models, and his years of hunting experience affect his ideas of “success.” Many hunters may fit into one of the following five groups. In 1975-1980, groups of over 1,000 hunters in Wisconsin were studied, surveyed, and written about by Professors Robert Jackson and Robert Norton, University of Wisconsin-La Crosse. The results of their studies form a widely accepted theory of hunter behavior and development. Where are you now? Where would you like to be?

SHOOTER STAGE
The hunter talks about satisfaction with hunting being closely tied to being able to “get shooting.” Often the beginning duck hunter will relate he had an excellent day if he got in a lot of shooting. The beginning deer hunter will talk about the number of shooting opportunities. Missing game means little to hunters in this phase. A beginning hunter wants to pull the trigger and test the capability of his firearm. A hunter in this stage may be a dangerous hunting partner.

LIMITING OUT STAGE
A hunter still talks about satisfaction gained from shooting. But what seems more important is measuring success through the killing of game and the number of birds or animals shot. Limiting out, or filling a tag, is the absolute measure. Do not let your desire to limit out be stronger than the need for safe behavior at all times.

TROPHY STAGE
Satisfaction is described in terms of selectivity of game. A duck hunter might take only greenheads. A deer hunter looks for one special deer. A hunter might travel far to find a real trophy animal. Shooting opportunity and skills become less important.

METHOD STAGE
This hunter has all the special equipment. Hunting has become one of the most important things in his life. Satisfaction comes from the method that enables the hunter to take game. Taking game is important, but second to how it is taken. This hunter will study long and hard how best to pick a blind site, lay out decoys, and call in waterfowl. A deer hunter will go one on one with a white-tailed deer, studying sign, tracking, and the life habits of the deer. Often, the hunter will handicap himself by hunting only with black powder firearms or bow and arrow. Bagging game, or limiting, still is understood as being a necessary part of the hunt during this phase.

SPORTSMAN STAGE
As a hunter ages and after many years of hunting, he “mellows out.” Satisfaction now can be found in the total hunting experience. Being in the field, enjoying the company of friends and family, and seeing nature outweigh the need for taking game. Not all hunters go through all the stages, or go through them in that particular order. It is also possible for hunters who pursue several species of game to be in different stages with regard to each species. Some hunters feel that role models of good sportsmen, training, or reading books or magazines helped them pass more quickly through some stages.

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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2012, 11:11:00 AM »
Mojostick hit the nail on the head
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Offline blktail

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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2012, 01:08:00 PM »
Mojostick that is soooo True.

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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2012, 08:07:00 PM »
I just spent part of Saturday and most of today teaching a guy at my least. I just met him he's 31 years my senior.

He wanted to know how I was using a long bow in a box blind. I explained that I don't, I slip along from ground hide to ground hide, depending on food source, wind and other hunters.

So, instead of hunting this morning I took him out and showed him why and where he was missing all the bucks. I showed him 2 big fresh scrapes and 2 fresh large(by east Texas standards) rubs, all within 60-70 yards of his favorite blind.

 I even managed to call some 'yotes we heard, I got busted drawing on a nice one, se le vie.

Seems he had never hunted from the ground, didn't know what a judo point or flu flu was!

The long bow just blew his mind
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2012, 08:31:00 PM »
I spent the first 45 min. of my hunting day laying on the bank of a lake looking up at the stars waiting on the sun. I spent the last 45 min. of it shooting at leaves. Watched a couple small buck tickling antlers and had a couple close but no cigar encounters. I was a bit frustrated til I looked back at the days events on the way home.

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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2012, 08:37:00 PM »
Old Grouch that makes him around 86,wow I can only hope I'm still able to bow hunt at that age.
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2012, 08:46:00 PM »
Duh! Junior. I dyslexic, might be.
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2012, 08:46:00 PM »
I had a great weekend hunting...never fired a shot at a game animal, but had a blast! I spent Saturday morning on the ground and had a small buck broadside at about 12 yards. Had about 6-8 more deer pass by just out of bow range and got busted by three does at less than 5 yards when I turned my head too quickly to see what was rustling the leaves on the other side of a gooseberry bush beside me...thought it was a squirrel.

This morning I took pictures of two small bucks within 10 yards of my tree stand, and had a shooter pass just out of my comfort zone. I didn't draw on him, but before I got out of the stand a shot an arrow at a clump of leaves where he was standing...and hit it! I climbed down thinking he must have been closer than I thought. Then I stepped it off...36 big steps!    :eek:   Glad I passed. Even though my practice shot was good, a lot can happen in that distance, most of it bad.

The wind was wrong for an afternoon hunt, so we moved a stand and called it a day.

I don't know which step I'm on, but I don't have to kill something to have a great time hunting.
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2012, 08:48:00 PM »
Steve-seems like you have discovered the true meaning of being one with nature. Also, do you like gravy with them biscuits? lol

Mojo-very intuitive and informative regarding the different stages of being a hunter! Thanks.

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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2012, 08:51:00 PM »
Good stuff . But if your not realy a deer hunter.  :D   Its all the same.
You can hop but you can't hide.
If it was not for rabbits I would never get a buck.
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2012, 08:54:00 PM »
oh yeah, I enjoy it all. used to get depressed when no shot opportunities presented, but now at 44 yrs young, I am happy at seeing the chickadees filter through.
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2012, 09:51:00 PM »
well i didnt kill my monster buck but i did get my groundhog ive been after for several years
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2012, 09:56:00 PM »
Sometime just being out in the woods surrounded by all of Gods creations is more than enough.
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Re: wow i sure have changed
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2012, 09:27:00 PM »
Amen to that Grinch! I have been bowhunting for about 8 years now, late bloomer, and still havent killed anything. That doesnt bother me one bit either! Just being "Out There", enjoying the Peace and Quiet. It Clears the Head and Re-Fills the Soul from the City Noise and Garbage that tends to collect in the Head and Heart.
  Just spending the time and the waiting, teaches and supports my Patience, as well as Building My Faith in the All Mighty.
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