Silver Flame tipped carbon lost?

[Guru]

Originally posted by Ray Hammond:
Curt,
I think I'm blind buddy! Where exactly is the logo at??? I thought that thing below the blade on teh ferrule was where paint was scratched off?!!! Is that it?

 Yes thats the ABS logo

[Guru]

Originally posted by joebuck:
Close......I shot that arrow at a greenhead last week in the brake on the farm duck hunting....I had that arrow all jacked up on FOC and you know that Swamprooter has some cast. If it would have been screwed into a Momentum shaft, well it would have reached the ocean!

[Ray Hammond]

Just a word of advice- the abruptness with which this head widens and it's shortness make it a not so great choice if it impacts bone

I'll spare you the gory details but it was locked up on the scapula of a pig which it did not penetrate- and luckily one of our hunters ran into the pig -which we determined later was suffering mightily- and snuck in and dispatched it.  We didn't find the head until Sunday when we were cutting it up.

Respect for the game we hunt doesn't need lip service - it needs commitment- to take responsible shots at calm animals and within your comfort zone of effective shooting so you hit where you need to- optimal shot placement makes this a great head- marginal hits will cause you to see its shortcomings

A longer slightly narrower head would be a better choice for larger hogs.   I know this is somewhat patterned after the Pearson Deadhead but its my opinion if you shoot this at hogs you need a good bit of horsepower behind it to get past any bone it contacts

[RC]

I`m thinking it would be death to a gobbler.RC

[Izzy]

They sure arent made for shooting at scapulas but would drain a hog right quick if put tight behind the crease. And what a beast to sharpen.

[joebuck]

You 'll get your chance RC!!  Check your mail next week
I have killed several nice hogs with this head ( one of my 250# is on ABS website ) But wider heads need more horsepower or momentum or both. I shoot 65 lbs and a gentleman on here named Buff has killed a pile of game with the original German Kinetic heads using a 70# plus widow. ABS copied my GK head After years of me badgering them since they bought the Silver Flame name. these heads are very expensive but extremely lethal with right set up. a compound friend of mine here in MS killed three P and Y deer this year plus a hog. he just re ordered 3 packs! I myself shot a 240 buck this year from liver forward and it piled up in 20 yards. cut a turkey's head off last year. Pics of that buck and turkey are somewhere on here.   I sharpen mine on a paper wheel in 2 minutes....rebevel on a KME knife sharpener every 10 sharpenings.... You certainly don't need this head to be a successful Bowhunter at all but this is a legitimate broad head to those of us that have had experience with it and so is George Stout's $2.00 tuskers.

[Whip]

I've got big plans to run one of those through a turkey this year.  Or chop off its head.   :D

[Ray Hammond]

Joey - as I said- if the shot is well placed its a great head! Since we know each other well i will say unless you've suddenly gotten a lot worse nearly no one I've ever seen shoots as well as you do, so I'm not surprised that in your hands its working great.  

Buff is another extremely experienced hunter who puts arrows where they need to be and shoots an efficient set up.

The biggest majority of people coming to hunt pigs have far less animals under their belts and are shooting 40-50 lbs at their draw length -that's the audience I was aiming for with my comments.  

This particular head was paired with a Victory VAP shaft.  I meant momentum when I said HP and a heavy shaft would be a benefit when paired with this head- looks like the lighter spined versions are about 6 gpi ??

[ChuckC]

Ray, another issue with wide heads like that. .  if you take a quartering shot, it can hit with the side of the nead, not the point, and skid along the animal, laying them wide open, but maybe not even penetrating for the kill.

Awesome if done right, but you need to know your limitations, and there are some with wide heads.
ChuckC

[joebuck]

Ray....i am definitely in the "was" now        ...i would dissappoint you at the present   .. Now i just have to get closer. Of coarse back then  i had the pleasure of Not competing against RC and Batman..I think I could take John Dill......But  You nailed it though originally....These wider breed of heads similiar to old Deadhead and Calmont still need a lot of UMPH coming from traditional bows.. I would drop down to the XL ( 1.5" ) if i shot under 65#s