Easton Axis Traditional Spine Help

[Tim Fishell]

My 2 main bows are a Tall Tines recurve 58" 55#@28" and an A&H Longbow 62" 55#@28".  I draw 28".  My current arrow setup is 5575 Goldtips cut to 29" with 225 grains up front.  This arrow flies great out of both bows.  Goldtips are the only carbon arrows I have ever messed with.  I'd like the give the new Eastons a try but I'm not sure what shaft I should go with.  Anybody have experience with the Axis shafts that shoots a similar setup to mine.  My broadheads I shoot are 225 grains so I'd like to stay with that point weight.  

Thanks,
Tim

[Orion]

I shoot Axis .400s, cut 29 inches BOP with 100 grain brass insert and 175 grain head for a total arrow weight of about 575 grains out of my 52# and 56# ACSs.  I draw 28 inches. I do build out my side plate a little.

[FerretWYO]

I have shot axis for a long time. FMJ and nano. I am shooting 57@28. Your setup I believe will shoot a 400.

Heres the interesting part I just got some Axis traditional fro Rocky Mountian Specialty Gear. They seem to be a little stiffer than the others. so you may be a little longer.

[RecurveRookie]

I am shooting a Samick Sage recurve(62") 57# @ 27.5", with St. Axis 400s, 75 gr. inserts, 105 gr. point, 29" shaft.  Ray Lyon (spine guru)recommended the spine for my setup, they fly great.   Hope this helps.

[will_hunt]

I shoot 58# @ 28" in a recurve and one full inch shorter in a longbow.  I have recently been shooting a 340 cut to 28 in both set ups. I employ a 100 gr. insert and use a 150 gr. broadhead and a 145 field point for practice.  The 100 gr. insert just seems to be the ticket for max performance and forgiveness. I have used three 5 1/2 maxi fletch and recently changed to four 4 inch flecth.  For me, this is the best carbon set up I have come across.  Something about the heavy insert just tames that shaft. Some folks are not comfortable with an arrow cut to exact draw. I draw slowly and find the exactness as my preference as it confirms my anchor. In a longbow it does not matter.

[Ryan Sanpei]

Tim,

Given your set up, I think you're between a .400 and .340.  Sometimes it's scary to give advice on spine especially if you purchase a dozen.  Do you know anyone near you that shoots any type of axis in a 340 or 400?

The 5575 GT should spine out at .400 but the axis is a little skinnier in diameter so bringing you a little (very little) closer to center shot.

Other things to consider is type of string, brace and how far past center your riser's cut which may affect spine.

[Tim Fishell]

Yeah I hear ya Ryan and at the cost of these shafts it would be a bummer to order the wrong ones.  Maybe I'll just order the test kit from 3Rivers and figure out what suits me the best.

Thanks everyone for the advise.

[LittleBen]

My guess is the smaller diameter will make little to no difference. I'd go with .400 at 29" or 340 @ full length and cut down to tune.

[last arrow]

Tim, I have some original axis 400's 29 inches long if you want to try them out to see what you think.  That's what I am shooting these days.

[macksdad]

I am shooting full length 400's in full metal jacket and axis traditional with 75 grain brass insert and 125 grain heads out of my 50 and 55# @28 bows I draw 29 they shoot great

[Ray Lyon]

Wow, I've never considered myself a spine guru.   :rolleyes:        

RR, I'm glad those 400's are working out for you.

Tim, this bear was taken with my 58# @ 28.5 inch Super Shrew Samurai and 29.5 inch 400's with 200 grain points and the standard 16 grain aluminum insert.
  Rays bear on Ron LaClair web page  
There was actually one Beeman MFX woodgrain in my quiver, but the Axis was always my go to arrow.  I think the traditional finish on the Beeman MFX shafts spreads the shaft weight out over the length of the shaft and the FOC is not as high. I always got that lazer beam flight with the axis and not so with the Beemans, even though both were 400 shafts and same length.  Tim Cosgrove at Kustom King was finding the same thing.

All that said, I think the 400's would work best for you with your 225 grains up front, even if they act 'stiffer' in the new wood grain finish, because I have a hunch that your two go to bows have more center shot than my Super Shrew Samurai that was a 1999 McCullough built bow, so they'll need a little stiffer shaft. There's certainly a lot of variables that can go into the selection, but Easton Axis are the best carbon shaft that I've shot out of this group: Beeman MFX, Arrow Dynamics Traditionals and Tradlites, Grizzly Sticks, Blackhawk Vapor Carbons and Blackhawk Vapor Carbonwoods.

 Put some weight up front on the Axis arrows (15-20% FOC) and they penetrate like runaway freight trains. My setup's were around 550 grains with that Samurai and the flight was absolute perfection.  

Good luck!

[BigJim]

BigJims has free shipping on easton and beman shafts (except the bowhunters)and we sell test shafts also.
thanks, bigjim

[Gator1]

How do you beat that   :
     

[Onions]

Tim,
Since you live in Holland, head over to Grand Valley Sporting Goods in Allendale, they have all the Axis shafts which you can buy one shaft of each spine you are interested in. Cheapest way to figure out what you need.

chris <><

[Shawn Leonard]

Tim, I think you could go with the exact same set-up in the axis and go with the .400 spine, that little bit thinner of a shaft should not make much of a difference if any. I bet you could even bump up the point weight a bit on either and they would still shoot fine for ya!! Remember carbon under 31"s recover from paradox quicker than any other arrow material and changes of 25 grains or so ecsp. up in weight do not effect them hardly at all. Over 31"s I have found they become a whole different animals and my conventional thinking has to be changed to get them tuned. Shawn