Permethrin treating clothing

[Doc Nock]

Ryan is so very correct! why I don't do my own math....05 solution is .5%... Doh!

Get it right if you're using the stuff from the feed store.

[Zbone]

Thanx for the pix guys, exactly what I was looking for...(I must be a little slow...8^))

Thanx again

are my numbers right?.....you got me thinking and thats not good...im not good with percentages.??

[Doc Nock]

Bryant.

You mix in way larger quantities.  And when it comes to something like "neurotoxin" I'm not being accountable for nuttin when it comes to math and percentages for anyone else!

The Gordon labeled bottle I got at a PA TSC, is not what you posted.  My bottle smells like kerosene! When mixed, still smells like it...dried, still smells like it.

I used Sawyers, Repel and others in both pump sprayers and pressurized cans.  Always an odor till it line dries...then can't smell a thing.

Maybe what I got at our local TSC is from a different supplier?

First I ever saw in a sporting good store had TWO different cans...ONE for your dog...one for people's clothing! Very clearly marked differently but that was a long time ago! No clue if the dog spray was stronger.

Since my bottle clearly said not to premix in quantities larger than can be used and not to store mixed (no clear explanation "why?")I just do the 1 Teaspoon to 32oz.  

Now we're both confused! I read my Sawyers can and it's .5% like Ryan said...but my math person told me the mix from a 10% solution is one teaspoon (5 teaspoons to an ounce) per 32oz of H20... but danged now I don't know which end is up.

all I can say for sure is that I might use my TSC bought concentrate for outings and shoots and turkey, but it still has a kerosene odor, so no way it's going on my hunting duds for deer season!

[Jake LaBauve]

Tall Paul - just a quick correction, the animal variation does not normally have petroleum byproducts in it.  The petroleum is normally found in the higher concentration pesticide version used for spraying your house.  At Tractor Supply there is a product called Happy Jack Kennel dip that is water based and is what I use on my clothes.  I have both and there is a noticeable difference between the two formulations.  FYI the petroleum product will smell for months as it doesn't truly dry for a good while.

[Doc Nock]

Amen to the smell, Jake! I thought mine dried ok... but then....

Happy Jack, huh? MIght take a 2nd shot at it. What I have kills ants really well though around the house! LOL

[gregg dudley]

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[Jake LaBauve]

Originally posted by Doc Nock:
Amen to the smell, Jake! I thought mine dried ok... but then....

Happy Jack, huh? MIght take a 2nd shot at it. What I have kills ants really well though around the house! LOL

Yeah try it out.  I had to learn the hard way my first time doing this rodeo.  From what I have read, the petroleum is added to pesticide versions because it allows the permethrin to persist longer and be more effective against insects by not letting it dry and forming a oily film.  This is why the pest control people can come spray your house only twice a year or so.  A film is left by the petroleum so the permethrin is present and not dried for a much longer time period than when in a water based solution.  For ticks though it is fine if the solution dries as the permethrin will still cause the ticks to die.

[FXJr]

Gregg,
 That is what I have been buying and using. No guess work and it is not that expensive!!
  Frank X.

[Hoyt]

This is why I use this....the prices have gone up some, I think this info is about 3yrs old, but both products have gone up and the info is still relevant.

If I step out the door I get ticks..so I use quiet a bit of it and it makes a difference cost wise.

DurationTM Permethrin 10% Concentrate from Amazon which claims to be the only EPA registered permethrin 10% concentrate approved for use on clothing.  It is intended for use as a soak but I deluted it to .5% and use it as a spray like Sawyers.  It is $30 for 8 oz.  Mixed 20 to 1 it will make 168 oz of .5% spray or equal to 7 of the 24 oz bottles of Sawyers. Thats $30 vs $90.

[Doc Nock]

Gregg,

Yup... this year saw it on "SALE" for $17.96! Was about $3 more regular price! Seriously??

I end up with several ounces I can't get cause the pick up tube isn't long enough in those pumps... I've had them leak all over my hand, too! YUK!

Whenever I see the "commercial" stuff on sale, I grab it... but will seek out this water based stuff as well...

I could use another head anyway cause sometimes I don't use mine so good...so if that is a side effect, bring it!

[dougedwards]

I prefer to use a synthetic cousin of Permethrin which is Bifentrin found in a product by the name of Talstar.  Bifenthrin works by the same method as Permethrin but is less toxic to humans as far as skin contact or inhilation.

Spray it on your clothes or wash your clothes in it.  If any spray gets on your skin it will cause just a very minor irritation but do no long term harm.  It's main purpose is a herbal insecticide as a spray but it very useful in the repelling and destruction of most insects in general.

 http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/bifgen.html#symptoms

 Doug

[Butchie]

Interesting, I've always mixed/diluted the Permethrin.  Where do you find Bifenthrin?  Thanks!

[dougedwards]

Most all Southern States stores carry it as well as any feed and seed store.  I think Walmart carries it too.

 http://www.southernstates.com/catalog/g-126-talstar.aspx

[Butchie]

Thanks dougedwards!

[Doc Nock]

Just found the Happy Jack Kennel Dip that LaBauve suggested.  My local TSC can't keep it in stock so had to wait for the smaller 8oz bottle.

Posted a different thread and got some good information from some vets about dilution rates...

seems that 2ml to 680 ml of water is about .5% like the commercial stuff.

That came out to about 4/10 teaspoon to 23 oz of water.  

Everyone should research this to their own comfort level cause this is a nasty neurotoxin we're playing with.  Exercise caution and clean measuring instruments VERY well before using back in the house of for anything associated with food!

Mine will be retired from the kitchen unless I find something to measure in ml.