They shut them down for a little maintenance and rework each year for a short period. Parts of them and definitley not all at once. You wouldn't believe all the refineries, I was shocked. Boy Vanilla I'm jealous of your fly fishing. I do a little in Nevada. I did get a license and caught some fish with a regular pole off the dock down here. It was fun, never fished saltwater before. Right now I have weekends off and would enjoy taking a look with you. Or exploring your suggestions, as long as it's not too far. Thanks