Arrow Stiffness Question

[pamike]

Over the past 2 yrs i have really battled with TP and i was able to "cure" myself when shooting a wheelie bow cause i could use a resistance activated release (no trigger).  When dealing with  trad bows a release is shunned, but i still decided i would try at least as a training aid.  I cannot use a resistance activated cause they will not the constant weight of a longbow (no setoff).  So i got a hinge release and i will say it kinda works….HOWEVER i don't have an arrow stiff enough to shoot it.

Hence my question why would a release require such stiff arrows?  normally i can shoot 500's with this bow and no 7595 GT's were not stiff enough.  Why?

mike

[macbow]

If your bow is cut close to center when you add the release there is no interference like there is with your fingers.

Fingers cause more paradox than a release.

[pamike]

So cleaner release will require stiffer arrows?

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I think you are going to find you are getting a false weak reading due to clearance issues. shooting with a release typically requires a center shot rest.  you may be able to pull it off with an elevated weather rest using feathers.  kirk

[pamike]

Kirk - i will give that a try.  BTW i have not found a cascade - not made anymore and look to be tough to find.

[SAVIOUR68]

X2 with Kirks advice on the arrows,[OFF TOPIC] me coming from a back ground of wheelie shooting a hinged back tension release IMO is no different that shooting with fingers and back tension. NEVER STOP PULLING. If the shot dont go off let down and start your shot over. I know TP can be very difficult to deal with but a little mind training goes a long way. Good Luck

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Here ya go Mike. These things are made in Oregon. i used to be able to go down to the guys house and buy the blems real cheap.... but it's been a lot of years since i used those things.... It's the model 10 that i liked the best.

 http://spot-hogg.com/files/1713/6614/4738/Model_10_Instructions.pdf


I'm not a real believer in target panic, but i've had my issues with getting stuck, and having to force the shot. If you want to call that target panic, i guess i can relate....  The true back tension release with no trigger mechanism would be really tough to use with holding weights 45-55#.

The model 10 release has a trigger mechanism that is thumb activated. it has two settings... one it goes off while depressing the trigger. the other setting is that you come to full draw, depress the trigger.... then slowly applying even back pressure. it goes off when the thumb relaxes.

It teaches you to wait for the shot to happen, rather than consciously pull a trigger.  

To some this may seem like an OFF TOPIC issue talking about mechanical release aids. But this type of release when set on relax mode teaches you how to hold even tension on the string and relax at the same amount of back tension every time. it can be an excellent tool for training purposes for learning to keep even pressure on the string with your fingers and let the shot happen rather than forcing the shot.

The NEVER STOP PULLING thing is spot on... but there is a difference between Drawing the bow to anchor, and then "Pulling through the shot" or "expanding the shot" using even back tension.

[pamike]

I found a model 8 on that auction site but no model 10's. I am trying a sweet spot hinge with safety. Holds the weight and feels ok - definitely surprise release.

Put a bear rest and still showing weak. Hmmmm????

[**DONOTDELETE**]

put some baby powder on the side plate and riser shelf. i'll bet you are whacking the riser with the arrow.  if you have an ILF set up cut way past center with a plunger, you might make that work. but typically you want a double prong rest that is set up exactly center shot.

But hey!  If you are using this for training purposes you should be working the bail with it anyway and forget arrow flight.... you aren't really considering hunting with a back tension release are you?  The boys will boo you off a 3D course with one of those too...  

[pamike]

No I don't plan to hunt with it, but thought it might be good for off season practice to mix it up and keep my head guessing a little!  I will have to figure out arrow flight cause it is what I do....