Endless VS Flemish

[LBR]

So user error on a couple of counts and possibly a poorly designed bow.

I agree 100%.  Just wanted to point out that in a case such as that, the string or type of string wasn't the culprit.

[legends1]

Not familiar with the bowyer or his bows. But are  his longbows strings fast flight or D50? We use D97 12 stand strings and never had a problem. While your still within the warranty do what he says. Then after that its up to you.

[LBR]

Don't know what Fisk uses.  Harrison would void the warranty if you used B-50.

[Richie]

Originally posted by dbd870:
 

quote:Originally posted by Todd Cook:
Flemish are cool, endless are ugly      

[killinstuff]

If you guys don't know who Jack Harrison is you must not have been doing this for very long. Finest longbow ever made and yes he has his own thoughts about what worked best on his bow.  As for the warranty, does't really matter since he hasn't made bows in 4 or 5 years now.

[killinstuff]

I should add that I use flemish strings on some of my Harrison's without issue and I've never worried about breaking a bow.  I'll see if Leo will jump on this thread and answer the original question.

[zepnut]

Like Dave said just use two different colors in your endless.

[LBR]

This is from Harrison's book.

 

A bow strung with a continuous-loop bowstring shot the same arrow an average of eight to ten feet per second faster than a bow strung with a Flemish-twist bowstring. I also noted there was more hand shock and vibration with a Flemish-twist bowstring.

Obviously his tests were skewed.  If you know what you are doing, you can make an endless that is faster, or a flemish that is faster.  Both strings equally well made will show little to no performance differences.  There have been flight records set with flemish strings.

Besides the inaccuracies, he threw in what could very well be considered an insult to anyone who likes flemish.

 

Finally, as a point of trivial history, it became vogue to shoot Flemsish-twist bowstrings as a desperate attempt for some over-zealous apologists to return to "tradition" when compound bows came into being.  

If you prefer flemish it's because you are an "over-zealous apologist" making a "desparate attempt"?

Although I have shot endless, and may still shoot one from time to time, I always preferred flemish because they are (for me) quieter and easier to adjust for fine tuning.  I've never been one to worry about what is considered "vogue"...

Again though, that was Harrison.  No idea what Mr. Fisk's thoughts are on the subject.

Back to the O.P.  Other than voiding the warranty, the rest is simply not true.  You can affect performance much more with your release than you will see between an equally well made endless vs. flemish.

I suggest that anyone wondering compare for themselves.

Chad

I am glad that this is thread came. I put a backup string that had to many twist on a recurve that I sold.  The string came out a bit long, but it was just a backup anyway so I spun it down to match the bow before I gave it to the kid that used it for a year.  I believe that a flemish string that has too many turns has too much spring and torque in it. I may be over thinking it, but that seems correct in my head.

[bigbadjon]

I generally shoot your strings Chad . On my ACS I have found the endless strings to be faster, more consistent, more durable, and easier to tune than a flemish string. I have no axe to grind on the issue but I agree everyone should try both before jumping to a conclusion.

[LBR]

There are always exceptions to the rule--that's why I make both.  In general though, the difference is minimal.

[bigbadjon]

The difference isn't huge, but it is enough for me to make a preference.