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Author Topic: Tying in Nock Point  (Read 509 times)

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Tying in Nock Point
« on: September 15, 2007, 10:32:00 AM »
Been using brass nock points for simplicity sake, but because of my three under anchor and facial structure, they occasionaly (OK, often) cut the bejeesus out of the side of my nose on release.  

So being, I'm going to try tying in my nock points. This is one thing I've never done in roughly 4 decades of bowhunting/archery.  I'm looking for any suggestions or tips.

I currently have two types of serving available,.022" braided Fast Flight and .026" Dyneema, plus 25# braided nylon fishing line (I use this to tie peeps in compound bow strings).  I'm inclined to go with the braided nylon due to it's thickness, or the Fast Flight.  That Dyneema stuff is a great center serving but I think maybe too slick for the knots to hold as a nock point.

I may be wrong on this, but I presume once the nock point is tied on it can't be adjusted.  So being, it seems logical that the string should be well broken in & stretched first?

The tie itself.  I presume it's a simple top/bottom half hitch, then tied off and the knot burned?

Any help would be appreciated...
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Offline donw

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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2007, 10:39:00 AM »
i often use the bubber buttons that are used to cushion arrow nocks from the pressure of a mechancial release aid. ..."eliminator buttons".

i set the nock height by shooting and once i arrive at a satisfactory adjustment, i simply use some serving to tie above the button so it will remain in place.

i also use one beneath the nock to help reduce pressure from the bottom
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2007, 10:43:00 AM »
Ah, sooo....
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2007, 10:44:00 AM »
Try using dental floss. I have used it for a few years now and it works OK for me.
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2007, 11:25:00 AM »
Any string you can tie on will work. The way I do it is to tie a series of overhand knots alternately on one side of the string and then the other, and finish with a square knot when you get the size you want. Tie it tight, and when you are finished it won't move but you can twist it up and down the string for adjustments.
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 11:35:00 AM »
In Byron Ferguson's DVD "Become the Arrow" he shows how to tie a nock, and how to adjust it. It's worth watching.
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 12:32:00 PM »
I tie my nock points and they can be screwd up/down the string.. The braided FF works well,  I tie a refernce knot in one end of the serving material that you are going to use.  Then Always keep that string to the same side of the other string through out the process.. Tie top, tie bottom, top, bottom etc.. Finish w/square as others have noted.. When you get it where you want it, you can lock it in place with a drop of Power Bond..
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 01:32:00 PM »
There's instruction in the "How To Resources" on this site. I had iffy results until I tried that one. I think that first knot makes a big difference in the outcome. I use b-50 FWIW.
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 02:56:00 PM »
I had the same problem with the brass cutting my face.  Started using tye ins ever since and still have to put a little epoxy on the knot to keep the burnt ends from scraping my face.   Half hitch on one side then another on the other side, alternating until you get the size you want.  Once I got the tye where I want it I'll put some epoxy even above and below it to keep in place.  
You can peel it off if you have to readjust, and the knot will still turn up or down.
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2007, 03:27:00 PM »
YOUCH!!  :scared:  I cant Imagine Slicing this Beak of Mine!! Makes my eyes water to Think about it!! There are Many Places that will teach you, and I am sure in the Archives there is a Pictorial.... IF Memory Serves. Pardon the Pun.  :goldtooth:
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2007, 05:41:00 AM »
Thanks guys. It's 0440 hrs and I'm about to head out to a treestand (50 yards from my barn, so I have time)but I'll try tying in a nock point when I get back...
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2007, 10:36:00 AM »
Charlie Lamb has a nice tute over in the how-to section.  Here ya go.

 http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000079

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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2007, 11:49:00 AM »
Waxed dental floss tie off like you would the end of the serving then touch a match to the waxed floss and it all melts together.

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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2007, 03:16:00 PM »
here's a tip I found works better then a square knot on my tied nocks.  I also use the over hand knot method rotating side to side and I work my way UP away from the arrow to keep the arrow off my final knot.  Nothing else is different till the end knot which is as follows.

Do a double or triple overhand at the end instead of the square and pull tight.  (by this I mean instead of going through once on an overhand,go back around again a time or two, you can practice this on your shoes if you dont get it you'll see what I mean, it holds TIGHT!)

  I'm using regular ole number 4 nylon for my tied on nocks.   Now cut your tags oh 1/8 or so.  I like to leave mine just about the length of the nock itself, no longer but no shorter then 1/8" +-.   You'll see why when you try it.

Now burn the ends and get them melting which doesnt take much.  Instead or leaving them as stubbs, wet your finger to keep from burning them and stroke  them to the side of the nock while the tags are melting (BUT NOT BURNING!).  You need to do it fairly quickly but it works like a champ.   I do add a drop of duco very lightly to the outside but have omitted this step a time or three and havent seen any difference as to the things unraveling or otherwise.  I do believe this drop of duco lightly applied helps keep the nock from fraying as number 4 nylon, though durable with start to frizzle a bit with a lot of shooting.  You can burn this frizzle off or just coat it very very lightly and it wont happen!   If they don't stick well to the nock, a little heat will soften things up enough that you can lay things down flat as long as you didnt get your fingers too wet.  If you did you may have to retie a new nock and start over or cut your nock a little shorter by unraveling one overhand not and refinishing.  Again it doesnt take much if you fray the tag ends first.  They'll conform to the nock when you lay them down so it's a very thin layer with no sharp edges

And, prestola, the perfect nock.  No lumps, no bumps, no tag ends or sharp edges to cut ya, nothing!  Just a nice round smooth nock.   Much better then dental floss, which I also used for a lot of years.  It'll last as long as the string lasts with a ton of shooting!!!!

 The dental floss is nice, and fairly permanent but mine would always start to fray overtime and you cannot adjust it like you can a tied on nock up or down the string.  Meaning once it's on, it's on that spot for good atleast for me!  What bothered me the most was the nock desintagrating with a lot of shooting regarldess of how much glue I applied to it though I never did try epoxy.  I used to shoot daily year round.  My strings, servings, and nocks (before anything other then b50 was used), would be destroyed in a summer of shooting.   That is the main reason I learned to build my own strings early on.  THey were pretty crude, but they worked.  If ya ever saw a peddle biker, with a recurve on the front handle bars, riding down the sides of the road from phalen lake north to forest lake in Minnesota backquiver on, and a bike loaded down with stuff, that was me way back when LOL!  What a site that must have been.  

Just a note, I have not tried this method for tying on a nock with anything other then number 4 nylon serving material.  I use this over a spectra serving and have a ton of it here so I have no plans on trying any of the new hybrid servings for a nocking point anytime soon.

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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2007, 06:00:00 AM »
I did four strings/bows yesterday.  I did one with the serving method Scott Antzak shows on Dead On Traditional and three with the over/under method.  Decided I like the O/U better.  Either way it seemed only natural to start at the base of the nock point and tie up/away.

The "melt & blend" method is my standard technique fo finishing serving/tie in ends.

I tried both 25# braided nylon fishing line & braided Fast Flight serving, decided I like the Fast Flight a touch better for this job.

Anyway, they worked great.  No more brass nock points for me.  Thanks again...
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2007, 11:06:00 AM »
I've used the fast flight serving with 2 layers and hit the tags with superglue.  They hold great and I like them much better than brass nocks.  They are a bit harder to move around though.   :)

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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2007, 11:22:00 AM »
I use sewing thread. Just keep tying knots over and under the string till it builds up then coat with superglue gel.

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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2007, 01:35:00 PM »
May get out there for a few days next week, Jason.  Depends on if I get sick of bumping off ducks & geese mornings and sitting on a tripod stand in an 8 foot cattail slough evenings.  Been a nice 130 class 4 point bedding in there and I decided yesterday to get a bit more aggressive on him...
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Re: Tying in Nock Point
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2007, 04:13:00 PM »
We're after ducks this weekend (NE ND), then a break, then after pheasants for the youth pheasant opener (SE ND), followed by pheasant opener.  I'm glad I got a doe opening weekend (2C area) because I don't know how much more bowhunting I'll do until October.

Good luck on the buck!

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