intersting thought on arrow weight

[Gottabow]

Sounds like your good to go..nothing an Arrow that flies like it should.

[ishoot4thrills]

Originally posted by LB_hntr:
.....after I posted and re-read it I wish I could go back and word it better......

You can. Just click on the paper and pencil icon at the top of your post and you can edit it any way you want.

Cool post.  

[Orion]

LB.  Don't sweat it.  Sometimes we get into whizzing matches over nothing.  It's been a long winter. Hard to get out of the house and not much to talk about.  It's all good.

[LB_hntr]

Jerry (Orion),
Every single thing you say has been a great benifit to me and to everyone that reads this. the knowledge on this forum and the people on it that are willing to offer thier insite and experience is a huge asset to everyone that is on here. You are at the top of that list with all of your great posts and the time you take to help anyone anytime you can.
 Everyone that contributes to any thread with good info like we have seen on this thread is a major asset to us all. From this thread I have learn things that i did not think of, know, or understand. Many people reading this im sure, feel the same way.

I think talk about arrow weight, foc, efoc, standard arrows, etc is good becasue all sides give good honest genuine opinions. Those honest opinions are created by personal experiences. all of this helps anyone looking for new arrows, getting started with arrows, or wanting to understand arrows. Its like a "ford vs chevy" debate. as both sides point out the good, bad, etc everyone that is folloing along learns alot about both and can better make a decison for themselves based on pros and cons they read.

 I have never been a FOC guy but always been a heavy arrow guy. I liked the quite bow, hard hitting, stable flight, and forgiveness of a heavy arrow. I started in 94 with cedars and made them as heavy as i could and loved them. Then we had our daughter in 2002 and were living in a rented house without a garage. my wife did not wnat me making cedars with the stains and dips in the house with a new baby so i switched to aluminums. Shot standard 2117s for 6 months and hated them. nosiey, light, loud bow, and the wind problem on the caribou hunt that same year (mentioned in first post). So i stuffed them with rope. walla! Perfect arrow! 740 grains, stable, flew great, hit hard, quite bow...all good.
 Then in 2009 decided to try carbon. istantly decide i had to stuff them with rope and get the weight up, then added brass inserts etc, 740 grains. walla! perfect carbon arrow! been using them ever since.
 Now i want to change to a non- rope stuffed arrow so decided to try double brass inserts. STarted testing bareshaft and cut to tune and got great flight. played with feather sizes from 5.5 to 2.75 liked a 4" high back best when combining all testing between dry, wet, wind, etc. walla! new perfect arrow!
 
so for 12 years i basically shot teh same arrow configuration. stuffed carbons normal foc, stuffed aluminum normal foc.

Now with the testing of the new arrows, the results i thought, are worth mentioning.
 I never expected this much more productive of an arrow for my style and shooting. But the new arrows have proved it be.

Hopefully people that read this and are looking for an arrow like mine or wondering about my experince with EFOC will help them.
 Anyone that is not interested in a EFOC arrow, i totally get it. I was not interested ever until a couple weeks ago. My other arrows always performed very well for me. Thats why i stayed with the same type of set up for all these years. I always raved about my arrows i used. I loved them. But now I like the new EFOC arrows better.
 There is no right or wrong way to go with weight, foc, feathers, etc. And even though im raving about my new set up its not feild proven to me on game animals yet. my other arrows have taken alot of game with excellent results. my gut feeling is these will as well and probably better.
 the key is to shoot tuned arrows that you have confidence in. as long as that happens the rest is matter of preference. But when it comes to that preference, I think these types of experiments, threads, debates, and chats are good for everyone that is interested.
People will take away what they want and throw out the rest. Its these kinds of threads here and other places that helped explain most of this stuff im learning. Even though I thought i knew it all....lol
 Thank you to everyone posting and all the insite and info. Its greatly appreciated!

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I'd say the arrows that are stuffed with rope are most likely all over the place without any wind. Its darn tough to get those flying the same in perfect conditions.

Your comparison to an aluminum arrow with a 125 grain point which probably weighed only 500 grains is definitely going to be different than a 700 grain arrow regardless of FOC....

Hey.... i got no problem if you like the EFOC arrows. That's cool....  but do that same test using the same fletching size and ditch the rope filled arrows and you may not see quite as much difference..... apples, oranges , and soda crackers....  just saying...

[LB_hntr]

Originally posted by Kirkll:
I'd say the arrows that are stuffed with rope are most likely all over the place without any wind. Its darn tough to get those flying the same in perfect conditions.

Your comparison to an aluminum arrow with a 125 grain point which probably weighed only 500 grains is definitely going to be different than a 700 grain arrow regardless of FOC....

Hey.... i got no problem if you like the EFOC arrows. That's cool....  but do that same test using the same fletching size and ditch the rope filled arrows and you may not see quite as much difference..... apples, oranges , and soda crackers....  just saying...

the alums were stuffed with poly rope and weighed 740. I shot them for 7 years that way. the carbons were stuffed with nylon rope packed tight and weighed 740. shot those for 5 years. killed many a critter and they always flew great. I shot those arrows 4 days a week for all those years. loved them!!! Actually won quite a few awards at local 3d shoots with those rope stuffed arrows. So for me they flew amazing. Just time for a change and im really digging the no rope, high foc, set up alot. Excited to try it out on real game and see how they do.
  you are correct my testing was not apples to apples. It was not intended to be. It was actually not a test but a comparison between my old and new arrows. But there is interesting things to see and think about.

[BuckeyeGuy]

LB, what type of rope did you stuff in the carbons?  Hardware store type material?  Thank you, Mike

[LB_hntr]

Originally posted by BuckeyeGuy:
LB, what type of rope did you stuff in the carbons?  Hardware store type material?  Thank you, Mike

1/4 in braided nylon rope. bought at home depot, or any hardware store. if you want a lighter weight rope use braided poly rope. the nylon will add about 100-125 grains depending on arrow length and the ploy about half that.
  With any rope it is very important that you pack it full. it will compress. you can do this 2 ways. #1: pack it full then put knock on and smash the insert end repeatedly against a board to get it to compress and then add more so the shaft is stuffed full. #2 pack it full as you can and then shoot each arrow in to a target 5-10 times to compress it and then add more to top it off.
  Its just like adding a weight tube but has other benefits. the rope gets rid of the hollow sound of the shaft and makes them quite like a wood shaft. the rope wont rattle, and the rope is a lot cheaper and doesn't add any stiffness to the shaft. I would make sure to shoot a couple bare shafts and make sure they still fly good and don't need to be trimmed for spine.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Well i gotta say... that sounds pretty impressive. I've used all kinds of stuff inside shafts and never got the same exact weight or decent arrow flight....but i never tried packing rope in like you described.

I even tried putting that green slime tire fluid in some shafts one time.... Boy was that a bloody mess....  

Ya gotta love those heavy shafts. They'll definitely get-er-done!

[LB_hntr]

Originally posted by Kirkll:
Well i gotta say... that sounds pretty impressive. I've used all kinds of stuff inside shafts and never got the same exact weight or decent arrow flight....but i never tried packing rope in like you described.

I even tried putting that green slime tire fluid in some shafts one time.... Boy was that a bloody mess....      

Ya gotta love those heavy shafts. They'll definitely get-er-done!

I cant imagine how messy the tire slime was..lol
I too tried all kinds of stuff from sand, rubber hose, to cutting pipe insulation foam into foam strips and stuffing them in shafts.
  The key to the rope is it has to be packed tight. I have some practice arrows arrows I have been shooting for years and when I pull the knock off the rope is still packed full right to the base of the knock after all those thousands of shots.
 the one thing I do miss about the stuffed rope shafts is how quite they made the shafts to handle. not hollow sounding but solid like a wood shaft sounds.