Hey Mojo...I think that was the one. I do remember they came in an orange or reddish plastic box and the blades were molded in a plastic "cartridge". They also came with a practice cartridge. And you are correct, they did weigh 145 grains, the same as a Bear Razorhead. I killed 2 does with them one late afternoon about 15 minutes apart. I remember that the bloodtrails weren't any better than a Razorhead and they didn't penetrate as good either. That was the only deer I shot with them. After that I went back to the Razorheads for a while. I also remember that it was nearly 11 pm before I got'em out of the woods, cleaned up and on ice. It's amazing the stuff you remember! Now if I could just find my cellphone.... :rolleyes: