Oh, I might add, I have a 'Buddy' ladder stand that last Thursday I sat both my daughters (ages 4 and 6) in with me. Because of a weird tree situation, I had to take one section of ladder out so we're only about 8' up. Yet we had two dink bucks and two fawns offer easy 10-yard shots during the hunt. Unfortunately, we were hoping for either a big buck or any adult doe. Next time. This stand was butted up to a big mulberry tree with cedars growing alongside, and we are very well camo'ed in there.