Non stack and no pinch short recurves of today?

[skychief]

I have been reading here of a few custom recurves of around 50" that don't pinch or stack out to draw lengths of 29" or more.

A lot of us are familiar with the pinching and stacking of short recurves of "yesteryear".

My question is simply, how can these modern, custom recurves not pinch or stack  at 29" or a bit more?

Not trying to be a wise guy as I believe the accounts that I have read here.  Can anybody explain how these short bows can be comfortably shot at longer draw lengths these days?

Thanks for your thoughts, Skychief.

[reddogge]

I've never owned such a bow but I don't see how you can overcome physics. The owners must be tolerant of stacking and pinching or maybe don't realize it when they feel it.

I do admit modern carbon foam limbs draw very smooth which helps on the no stack end.

[nineworlds9]

Guys, these bows generally incorporate static limb tips which do not move during the draw and allow for a lower string angle at full draw than otherwise possible.  This makes the bow equal to a bow with working tips several inches longer.  

Another design element is a forward handle, combine a forward handle with static tips and the recipe is further enhanced.

Stacking is tied to overall bow and specifically limb design more than anything...you can just as easily have a long length bow that stacks if the limb was not designed to move past a certain point.

Superior designs of today allow for these super short bows.  The main issue that remains is the ratio of string on the fingers vs. the bows string length:  if you have a 50" bow with 3" of string on your fingers VS a 68" bow with 3" of string on your fingers obviously the string contact scenario on the shorter bow will be more likely to cause inputs to the bow upon release.

As for 50" bows, the Sheepeater Spirit was a 50" static recurve that is no longer being made.  Timberghost makes some 52" and up bows, Toelke makes a 52" recurve (with working limbs good to 29"), and there are others that like the Thunderchild by Big Jim which is a radical r/d longbow and starts at 52" and up.  From personal experience I will tell you the Thunderchild works brilliantly.

[skychief]

Not to get off track from the theme of the thread, but....

.....Is the Two Tracks Ambush made with static or working limb tips?

[nineworlds9]

The Ambush is a working recurve with a forward handle design.

[Onions]

I shot a Fox one piece recurve years ago. I think it was called the "Breed". 52lbs @ 28" 54" long. VERY nice shooting bow. Very smooth, and no finger pinch at my 30" draw

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[Jim Wright]

I have shot more than one Toelke Kestral 52" recurve. My draw is 29" and there is NO stacking and I detect no uncomfortable finger pinch. These little bows have full-working limbs and on the  www.montanabows.com  home page is a picture of one being drawn to 29", you can see the string angle clearly. You can also read a review Pete Ward did on one a few years ago in which he gave it very high marks.

[monterey]

Here is an old design worth imitating today.  Here is an F/D curve for a 1970 Shakespeare Necedah.  A 54" bow

 

[SELFBOW19953]

Love my Two Tracks Ambush, a 50" recurve.

[Gen273]

I have a 52 inch TimberGhost static tip, I draw 28 inches and there is no stacking or pinch that I can tell.

[hvyhitter]

It may not be noticable or uncomfortable but the short bows can still have an effect on your shooting. I see my groups open up wth 58" bows and get larger as the bows get shorter. Its not the whole group but the flyers that get more numerous and wider off center. The shorter bows are just so much less forgiving of a less than perfect release...........YMMV

[JEFF B]

i have  a horse bow ok and when you draw that sucker  everyone stand back or hides behind trees as the string looks like it going to pop right off the tips because the limbs have such a curve in em. when you unstring it they take on the shape of a crab ( A BIG LETTER C  ) and when strung it does not have any  finger pinch at all even out to 30" as i have a mate who has a 29 1/2" draw and he can't understand why it don't hurt his fingers. now this bow is 50" strung has no shelf so ya shoot of ya hand and it does not  have any effect  on ya shooting unless you  don't do a perfect release but that s the same with any bow.i think its all to do with the draw curve and some woods that they use to make shuch a short shootable Bow .

[halfseminole]

Mine is around 48" strung, and I can draw it to 36" without issue.  My horse bow is an actual horn composite (sinew/wood/horn) and it acts like you could pull till the tips touched and it would still work.  But, I do know using the proper endless string makes a big difference too.  Right string for right bow thing.

Jeff, do you use tuncs on the string?  My bow only acts right if I do, but I need to redo mine in leather for weight loss.

[mooshkat]

I just shot with a friend of mine the other day who just picked up a used 48" bear mag, and says he feels no stack and dosent notice any finger pinch, he has a 28" draw, i would have shot it but he shoots from the wrong side of the bow.

[Steelhead]

I have tried alot of short bows and some work pretty well for me personally and some dont.I have a longer draw of over 29.

I like the Toelke Kestral quite a bit at 52 inches.I hunted with it last season.It shoots well for me and I notice no stacking.I am pretty picky and this bow just works for me.I was pleasantly surprised with it.

I used an Eagles flight 4 arrow hooded quiver on it with a 3 arrow gripper.

[7 Lakes]

At 7 Lakes, on our short recurve "Sawed Off 54" we use a short 14" riser to get the longest working limb possible.  The curve will unfold just enough to stand straight up at full draw making the bow as long as possible.

[Orion]

I gotta agree with reddogge.  I only have a 28 inch draw, and I haven't found a bow yet under 56 inches that doesn't pinch and usually stack at my 28-inch draw.  More power to you if you can do it.  I can't.