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Author Topic: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads  (Read 377 times)

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Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« on: July 12, 2014, 11:18:00 AM »
Are they still in business or is their website just down?  I was hoping to order two packs for testing.
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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2014, 11:29:00 AM »
try badgerbroadheads.com,  thanks

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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2014, 12:28:00 PM »
Perfect.  Thanks.  The link at the top, through the pull down menu, and as your signature line to medicinebear.net is pulling up an invalid domain screen.
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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2014, 12:32:00 PM »
I also wanted to email you but now I think this information might be something that others online would benefit from too.

Your heads are offset to produce torque on the arrow and cause the arrow to spin and stabilize in flight from the head as well as from the feathers.  

Have you tested for what degree of offset and/or helical offset on the fletching would result in the same rotational force on the fletching end of the arrows?

I'm going to build 6 arrows to just keep these heads on for my bow and thought while I am at it, I may as well match the offset of the head and fletching so they help each other and aren't fighting against one another.
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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2014, 01:41:00 PM »
The blades are on a 5 degree taper so one would think a 5 degree offset would be optimal. I don't know if its that simple thou. The fletching would be more efficient at spinning the arrow just because of their size, more surface area. It would take someone with a lot more math skills than I have to figure out. I can say that I cant see any difference in performance with different  helical or  even straight fletching.

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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2014, 03:38:00 PM »
5* sounds good to me.  I figure that isn't going to be a 100% perfect equation due to differences in surface area too.  But, that should ball park it to be very similar.  In all reality that's probably a touch too much thought into it, but if your building a new batch of arrows anyway, why not optimize them?

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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2014, 04:48:00 PM »
I'll get the link all fixed up soon as I can get to the command center.
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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2014, 06:38:00 PM »
  Im not sure about the washing machine analogy but I can assure you the bevel is on the correct side of the blade for the direction of the rotation. I know sometimes at first glance people see it rotating the wrong way. In the photo the one on top spins left and the bottom one spins right.  Hope this helps

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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2014, 09:17:00 AM »
Maybe this will help.

You can see the flat sides of the blades in this tail shot due to them being offset.  The offset blade angles cause rotation because as they travel through a medium (bone, meat, foam target, whatever) there is a transverse force put against the outside flat area of the blades much like the propeller on an airplane or blades of a fan.  The result of his force is rotation along the axis of the insert.  That part of their design is very easy to understand because we see that happen all the time in our natural environment.  Somewhere on YouTube there is even a video of someone hitting these heads with compressed air while the arrow shaft is on rollers showing you how it makes the arrows spin.

The single bevel acts in two ways, friction and pressure.  I can explain both of those below separately.

Friction:
If you look at the bevel area of the single bevel broadhead only, it forms a right triangle.  A traditional double bevel forms an isosceles triangle (two equal sides with a short base equal to the blade width).  Side “3” of that right triangle is the cut of the bevel itself where the blade was ground into an edge.  It is the hypotenuse and thus will always will be the longest side of that right triangle which means it also will have the largest surface area.  As that head pushes through the meat and the meat pushes back into all sides of that head, there will be more friction and pressure put on side “3” than any other side just because it’s larger.  This pushes into and against side “3” more than side “2” causing a tiny bit of rotation.

Pressure from how the meat is cut:
In addition to this, the meat along that side is cut asymmetrically.  It is cut in line with the flat sides then forced to push and squish over the bevel because the leading edge of that bevel is on the far outside corner of the flats.  This causes even more pressure to be exerted along side “3” as the meat is forced over the bevel but un-resisted along side “2” due to where the meat is cut in relation to the bevel.  As a result, you get an even higher assymetrical pressure differential across the bevel itself (side “3”) which causes clockwise rotation.

Add it all up:
1) The arrow has clockwise rotation from flight due to fletching and air acting on the head before it enters game.
2) Once entering game, the head causes additional or at least helps to maintain clockwise rotation from offset blade angles.
3) The single bevel design causes additional clockwise rotation from increased friction and pressure due to an asymmetrical bevel.
4) The pressure differential caused from the relation of where the meat/bone/whatever is cut in comparison to the single bevel design causes additional rotation to be gained or maintained inside the target.

End result:
Momentum of the arrow isn't lost to stopping the rotation from the fletching.  Wound channels are more destructive as the blade rotates and cuts more blood vessels.  Shots through fibrous material (BONE) are easier as the rotation exploits the natural weaknesses between the fibers causing them to split along a weak spot rather than have to be cut along a strong spot (think about drilling wood with a wood spade bit vs simply punching through the wood with that spade - the rotation splits the fibers of the wood apart and makes it easier to penetrate).

       
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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 11:24:00 AM »
good job Garrett, makes sense to me.

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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2014, 12:52:00 PM »
Clint....you are confusing the heck out of this thread....if you have a question about design please email them directly.

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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2014, 12:56:00 PM »
T BTW...I need a couple of packs of the 175s....might make a run up there soon,...its all according to the moon.    :D

Hang in there Tee...get you fixed up...

Rob...

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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2014, 08:39:00 PM »
They work good on porkers...RC


 

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Re: Medicine Bear/Badger broadheads
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2014, 08:58:00 PM »
My first thought when I got my Badgers was how small they looked beside a Wensel Woodman!
They are not a big broadhead. But if I get a passthrough on a deer I will report back!
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