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Author Topic: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650  (Read 287 times)

Offline Bowwild

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Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« on: July 25, 2014, 07:54:00 AM »
Anyone use one of these?  I have almost zero experience with a hand-held GPS but am attracted to the large touch screen on this unit. I know from reviews that the "T" model with 100,000 Scale Topos and camera may not be the best move since 24K topos are more detailed.

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2014, 07:57:00 AM »
I just searched and found a bit here on the 650T. It seems that Jerry Russel has one and loves it.

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2014, 08:20:00 AM »
Any Garmin will suit your needs.  Great product.  I chose the Dakota because I didn't necessarily want a larger screen and have no problems.  My buddy has a Oregon and he likes the bigger screen.
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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2014, 08:59:00 AM »
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... I have almost zero experience with a hand-held GPS but am attracted to the large touch screen on this unit..
Its easy to overbuy a GPS.

The knock on touchscreens is they don't do well under adverse conditions so many prefer keyed units or the etrex 30 with the toggle (which is what  I use) .
I use a gps to mark waypoints(also known as elk wallows!) and record distances and get my elevations which is key to placement on maps out here.

I don't use a gps for its "maps". I carry a map and use a compass.

Knowing what you need is a big part of what you buy.
If you are like me a lot of what many gps's offer is just extra cost and will go unused.Try some units if you can.

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2014, 09:59:00 AM »
If your main goal is to go from point A to point B in the woods the Montana unit is more than you would ever use. I have used a wide range of units since they first hit the market and most all will get you where you need to go. I feel that 75% of the folks out there would do just fine with the most basic of units. The other 25% might want to consider the other end of the spectrum in GPS.

As for me, I simply had no idea what I was missing until I purchased a full featured unit with touch screen and mapping. Man, what a difference it has made in my outdoor world.

Where do these units shine from basic point A to point B models? The list is very long but remember, not all of these features benefit everyone. Each user would have to decide if they are worth the cost.

Point A to point B- I hunt and navigate in some very difficult terrain. Going from here to there is sometimes complicated by extreme hillsides/ swamps/ rivers and more. Mapping and topo features allow me to find a safe and easy way to get through these extreme locations or to get back to downed animals for recoveries.  Going from A to B in a strait line where I hunt and guide is sometimes a very, very bad idea. A fantastic example of this feature occurred on the last blood trail in bear camp this year. A "strait line" return to the truck following the recovery of the bear (that had traveled well over a mile) would have meant traversing very steep hillsides with dangerous bluffs. A quick look at the GPS mapping showed a 4 wheeler trail off to one side that allowed for a easy downhill stroll to the truck. Mapping is HUGE when I track over long distances with a blood dog.  Maps at a glance in the palm of my hand is something I use dozens (if not a couple of hundred) times per day.

Touch screen is something you have to experience to fully appreciate. I had no idea what I was missing until I got it. I would pay double on any unit to get it. It is 10X faster and 100X less frustrating. Here is an example... As I follow my dog on a blood trail I can mark waypoints at a fast walk without even looking at the unit. Coupled with mapping this feature is worth everything to me. I can now look down at a glance and tell where I have been, where I am going, the topo the animal has used and the frequency of blood sign. The Montana has a BIG screen and I like that. If you wanted a very similar unit with a smaller screen I would look hard at the Oregon model.

Wireless waypoint sharing is something the Montana and Oregon units feature. This is a very big deal when you are sharing 10-40 waypoints with other units when missing a single digit with typing the info can cause you VERY big problems. In years past, sharing 35 bear bait sites, two dozen tree stand locations or 20 off shore wrecks would have taken hours but now sharing waypoints wirelessly takes just seconds.

Nearby places of interest is a feature of the Montana that is certainly not necessary but very neat when you are somewhere you have never been. Historical places, fuel, camping and a long list of other items can be found with this feature.

I use the unit in blue water to find wrecks when fishing off shore. It is highly accurate and is a great feature that I depend on to get me home is some REALLY bad weather conditions. This is where a big screen shines.

Use of the camera is most likely something that many would simply not need but it has a place for some. Snapping a photo of a place (like bear bait 37) and then geo tagging it helps you and other that have not been there to see what is there like stand type, river crossing conditions, view of topography vs foliage etc. This could be helpful to some I am sure. Do not buy this feature on a unit for its value as a stand alone camera. it is not of high quality.

I use the unit for driving also. It requires a city navigation chip  and a mount with speakers for voice navigation.  

The units offer many more features that would take a month to write about here. Go on the internet and watch a few videos of these units in action for a real eye opener.

The Montana and other full featured units are not for everyone but for me and others that use them for their many features, they are a value at any cost.

Like others have stated, go and put your hands on the various units. I borrowed one 2 years ago and found out the value of the unit to me.  Good luck finding a unit that fits your needs. Let me know if I can answer any questions you have regarding the Montana 650T unit

Here is the unit in action helping me to dance with a nasty weather cell.

       

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2014, 11:44:00 PM »
Jerry, What is the battery life between the Oregon and Montana? Thanks

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2014, 12:07:00 AM »
If you have a smartphone (Droid or iPhone), take a look at the Backcountry Navigator app. Go with the Pro version with all the addons you need.
It had downloadable maps, a variety of topo versions, aerial-topo overlays etc.....
99% of us are carrying a phone anyway, why carry something else that pretty much only does one thing, that the phon can do anyway?
Oh, if you put your phone in airplane mode & just use the internal GPS, you can get 2 solid days out of your battery. If you only turn on the GPS when needed, you can almost get a full week.
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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2014, 12:20:00 AM »
Here's a screenshot from some cyberscouting I've been doing for an upcoming elk hunt.....

 
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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2014, 12:27:00 AM »
Hi Rob,

Sorry to display my ignorance, but are these IPhone apps, such as the one you mention, a true GPS?  In other words, do they receive signals from the GPS satellites directly, and don't require a cell phone connection to work?

Is there any difference that you have noticed between using the app and using a stand alone GPS?

Thanks,

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2014, 06:34:00 AM »
Dave,

Most smart-phones today have built-in GPS receivers...and can add that they are accurate. I use my phone GPS and Google Map when traveling in unfamiliar areas.

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2014, 07:47:00 AM »
Thanks to all for these comments and advice. I owned a top of the line Garmin GPS a few years ago. I don't remember he model but I recall it cost around $400, color screen, and others bells and whistles. I carried it but didn't use it. I sold it for less than half what I paid.

The main problem was I didn't take time to learn to use the unit since almost all my hunting was local.

I do use the GPS feature on my iphone, often in conjunction with vehicle mounted or integral GPS. In fact, I almost never refer to a map anymore (in the vehicle).

I'm going to take the advice here:
1. I'm going to check out software (Aps) for the phone to see what's available beyond the vehicle.

2. I'm going to handle the units at the nearby Sportsman's warehouse.

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2014, 08:18:00 AM »
I'm one of those who was over-buying on GPS units and not needing or using the available technology within. As a consequence, I found myself carrying one but not using it as often as I imagined. After a lot of consideration I down-sized (physically and price) to a Garmin Etrex 30. This unit is perfectly suited for my ground activities. It's small, light, bright, easy and very user friendly. For general point-to-point navigation and a lot of good extra features (usable) the Etrex 30 is a value in GPS units.

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2014, 09:12:00 AM »
Here's a screenshot from some cyberscouting I've been doing for an upcoming elk hunt.....

 
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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2014, 10:38:00 AM »
If you decide to get one of the Garmins with good download capabilities, the site below has tons of topos for free. I have most of Wyoming, a good bit of northern Idaho, and southern Arizona on my Oregon 550, with plenty of storage to spare.

 http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/maps/state/all
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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2014, 02:33:00 PM »
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Jerry, What is the battery life between the Oregon and Montana? Thanks
I have the rechargeable battery pack in mine and I get several hours out of it in constant use. It will take AA batteries as well. I have not tried those.

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Re: Garmin GPS Montana 650T or 650
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2014, 05:57:00 PM »
I bought the Garmin 650 Monterra today.  I'm an Iphone not Android so hopefully that won't be an issue. The manual is "Quick Start" without a lot of detail. I'll try to find a more detailed manual on-line.

I was immediately impressed with the quickness of satellite acquisition even indoors.

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