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Author Topic: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!  (Read 570 times)

Offline David lozzano

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For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« on: September 13, 2014, 11:48:00 PM »
hi everyone,
I'm trying to build an all around arrow that would work for muleys, Elk and coues deer.

setup is BW pmax recurve 51# @ 28" (can't really go any higher on the poundage)
My DL is 26.5 inches

What do you guys suggest?

Dave
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Morrison ILF 56" 48#@28
selway lil magnum 58" 49@27
Black Widow PMAX 60" 51# @ 28
Stalker Jackal 58" 52# @ 28

Offline Marshallrobinson

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2014, 11:53:00 PM »
The most important part of any hunting arrow is the broadhead. That supposes arrow flight is proper.

I would start with a 1916 and an assortment of head weights. Thats me. I am sure there are other options that are also budget minded.
If budget were broad, I would grab an Alaskan Sitka Stick and go the same way with tuning via head weight and cutting to tune.

Good luck

Offline Brianlocal3

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2014, 12:01:00 AM »
For me, a 2016 with 125 up front at 27.5" bop works PEFECTLY from an identical set up. Give it a go.
I bought tribute shafts which are a STEAL.

I also shoot 50-55 125 up front at 27.5" and they are lasers
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Offline MEsquivel

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2014, 12:53:00 AM »
I would go with goldtip trads.
35/55 with 100 gr inserts and 125gr bh.
Tuned to your bow.
These should be around 500gr and just a tad over 10gpp.

Offline MCS

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2014, 06:33:00 AM »
2016's 125's or 145's at the end should be good. My friend Rocky calls the 2016 a universal arrow. He gets them to fly great from most of his bows and he's been at this game for a long time.

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2014, 07:29:00 AM »
so 46Lb draw  do you like a heavy or a light arrow?  

heavy I'd go with a 28" heritage 150 w/100gr insert then 125 to 150grain stinger broadhead
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Offline Rob DiStefano

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2014, 08:19:00 AM »
it's not rocket science, most any *good* arrow can get the job done, the toughest nut to crack is the bowhunter's shooting and hunting skills.

a synthetic arrow will be easiest to build, be the most durable in the field, and easiest get to fly well.  my choice would be a 27.5" beman ics bowhunter 500 carbon shaft (yeah, the cheap ones), whatever push-in nock, 5" to 5.5" 3-fletch with goodly helical,  an alum insert (20 grains) and steel adapter (75 to 125 grains), and the razor sharp twin/tri/quad cut-on-contact broadhead (125 to 250 grains) of yer choice.  adjust weight of the adapter and broadhead to create a final arrow total weight of at LEAST 10gpp (or more!) at yer bow holding weight.  don't get hung up or concerned with foc/efoc/uefoc/lmnop, that's not all that important.

some will argue that a 500 spine carbon arrow is far too weak out of a 40-55# trad bow.  specially with a lot of up front weight.  nope, not true at all.  the static and dynamic spine values of carbon arrows is very wide, which is why the manufacturers list a 20# spine range for most of their shaft offerings.  most, if not all carbon arrows used are too stiff in spine and most archers would be better suited dropping down at least one carbon shaft spine range.

yep, i use the above arrow, but only at a 29" to 29.5" length.  at 29" - and adjusting the insert, adapter and broadhead weights - it allows me to create an arrow total weight of between 380 grains and 585 grains.  these dayze, mostly i'm using a 505 grain arrow (26% foc) out of a 47# holding weight longbow (nearly 11 gpp).    

so ... add in yer good shooting abilities, and a critter within good arrow range ... and enjoy.
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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2014, 08:54:00 AM »
X2 what Rob said.
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Offline longbow guy

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 09:31:00 AM »
X3 What Mr. Rob said
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Offline ChuckC

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2014, 09:38:00 AM »
With those choices or goals in mind, whatever I built would have elk in mind.

 With many arrows at hand, I might. .  might  build a lighter arrow for the Coues deer, to afford a bit more speed and maybe another 5-10 yards leeway in my ability.

But with only one arrow (set)  make sure it handles the elk, then it will kill any of the others.  You just need to learn to get as close as needed.

Others can tell you arrow particulars, I am not so good at that part.

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2014, 11:55:00 AM »
???  This is too easy!  Gold Tip 3555 trad cut to 29.75 using the supplied insert.  200 grns total point weight.  4 4inch shield cuts.  I use Easton Super 3-D nocks just cuz I like em so much,  but the supplied nocks will do just fine.  I also use an 8 inch wrap under my fletching.  You should have a total arrow weight of about 529 grns with this build.

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2014, 04:42:00 PM »
^ Nearly exactly my arrow except 3 - 5" turkey feathers, a 75 grn. steel adapter, and no wrap....

48# D/R longbow, 510 grain finished arrow

I'm bettin with the widow cut a bit deeper, it will be great.

NOTE: If you go carbons, start full length with one and cut 1/4" off at a time to get tuned, 1/8" as you get close.  I just glue the insert in and cut the nock end on the tuner arra....
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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2014, 05:20:00 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by MEsquivel:
I would go with goldtip trads.
35/55 with 100 gr inserts and 125gr bh.
Tuned to your bow.
These should be around 500gr and just a tad over 10gpp.
MEsquivel nailed it... try this with 27.5" arrows and you're there. I checked this with Stu's Calculator which I trust more than most, and it is spot on.

Big Jim usually has the Gold Tip Blems that are great. Good Luck and God Bless!!!

Offline David lozzano

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Re: For the love of God, help me build the right arrow!
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2014, 07:59:00 PM »
thank you guys,
awesome suggestions
JK traditions Kanati 60" 53#@28
Morrison ILF 56" 48#@28
selway lil magnum 58" 49@27
Black Widow PMAX 60" 51# @ 28
Stalker Jackal 58" 52# @ 28

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