Old enemy (arrow weight)

[freedomhunter]

So I was reading back on some of my old threads to see what kind of questions I asked a year ago about the arrow choices I have made and what I was shooting.  Nothing has really changed for me in a year with shooting I have found an arrow that shoots well out of my bow.  My exact poundage I am drawing I haven't a clue anymore, due to everything I have read and what everyone is saying just doesn't seem to work for me.

I really need to find a local person that knows what he is doing and might be able to see what I am doing or maybe what the bow is doing.  

Anyways, I took some bare shafts out today and tried different weights and different spine configurations to see if something has changed.  Nope, still the same everything flies like crap except my 600 gold tips with 125's up front cut at 30.5".  They truly fly like darts and I actually hit what I am looking at, maybe that is because I have possibly shot a thousand or two arrows with this setup.  Total weight of my arrow with broad head is 362.9 grains (not including insert)

I have all about given up on trying to find a better arrow setup without help.  (East Central Florida if anyone wants to get together and share the experience.)

I will say my draw weight is between 40- lets say 47 lbs  50lb super kodiak at 28" possibly getting just over 26" draw out of me.  Should I worry about hitting a deer with this setup?  After reading a few new post and peoples responses on what they shoot is getting me all nerves again.  I felt confident in my arrows until rereading old threads.

[stumpinkaiser]

A Razor sharp arrow and a well placed shot will kill the deer

[WESTBROOK]

If you want a heavier arrow weight, you can put a 175g point on and start shortening the shaft until they fly like darts again..then do the same thing with a 200g point if you wish. You have a lot of extra arrow sticking out there that could be cut off and replaced with weight.

Eric

[freedomhunter]

I might mess around after season is over and see what I can do, kind of hard to convince myself to change things up while I am hunting

[Cavscout9753]

Westbrook is spot on. After season it'll give you some to do. Many like a heavy headed shorter arrow as it recovers faster from paradox but if you're happy with flight I'd say you have plenty of power for deer as long as you stick to the fundamental truths - sharp, right spot, good flight. Hunt and have confidence.

[Diamond Paul]

As long as the bow is quiet with that arrow, I wouldn't worry about it.  As previously stated, you can cut some off to stiffen and then use more weight out front, which is what I would probably do just to ensure a quiet bow.

[macbow]

The key as stated is a,quiet bow that is putting most of it't energy into the arrow.
If the arrow was too light the bow would not be quiet.

From you specs I'd guess your draw at 26+ inches of draw is about 45 pounds. At 8 grains per pound you safe with that arrow weight.

If they are flying good don't mess it up.

[Bobaru]

Here's what I would do:  Plug your arrow (the arrow that shoots like a dart) and bow specs into Stu Miller's calculator.  Keep playing with his calculator until you get the bow and arrow to match up.  

For example, you are certain about the arrow itself, but not the bow draw weight.  So, play with that.  Try to make sure of your personal draw weight.  Plug that stuff in.  Doesn't cost you anything.

Then figure your personal form factor so that the bow dynamic spine calculation matches the arrow calculation.  

Once you are there, save it, and use that as a "go-by."  So, you now can examine different arrows, lenght, and head weight until you come up with a heavier arrow.  This will save lots of buying and lots of experimenting.  Once you get close with an acceptable arrow, you can then fine tune that and make sure it flies well in the real world.

If that's what you want.

Otherwise, shoot what's working now.

[NBK]

Put some weed eater line (you know, the plastic line for weed trimmers) in the shaft.  Pop out the nock, feed the line in until it stops, leave about a half inch out the end and fold that over on itself and push it the end of the shaft.  Replace nock, and your arrow is now about 50 gr. heavier without any tuning adjustments needed.

[njloco]

What Westbrook and NBK said. I believe that is pretty much a center shot bow, which means you should be able to shoot a wider range of spined arrows. I have a 65 Kodiak 47 #  @  28", I only draw 26 1/2" and am able to shoot a wide range of spined arrows out if it. I do have good form and a pretty good release though, and this does come into play.

[njloco]

What Westbrook and NBK said. I believe that is pretty much a center shot bow, which means you should be able to shoot a wider range of spined arrows. I have a 65 Kodiak 47 #  @  28", I only draw 26 1/2" and am able to shoot a wide range of spined arrows out if it. I do have good form and a pretty good release though, and this does come into play.

[freedomhunter]

Thanks all, If you guys say the arrow is good enough for deer then I feel much better about them.  I used a sharping stone for my broad heads and you can now shave with them so they are plenty sharp.  I really do like the trimmer line idea I own a landscape business so that is very easy to come by and if I need more weight I can do that.  It is just hard for me to justify changing anything at this point with how good my arrows are flying and the fact that I can hit with them.  When I was doing the bare shaft tuning yesterday, they were hitting so far left from my group and nock point was left at 15 yards.  The lighter set up I went the more it smoothed out. Until I got to my arrows.  I will go with what I got until I experience a problem in the field or have an opportunity at bigger animals and have to go up.

[2bird]

I shoot with a guy that due to a injury hunted with a 37# recurve and a 350 grain arrow. He shot a deer with this setup from I think 18 yards and it poked out the other side. Am I suggesting that bow weight and arrow weight? NO... But with a very sharp broadhead and a well placed shot it will work.

Keep in mind that your accuracy in your back yard and at foam is a lot different then when your shooting at live game in hunting conditions. My friend is also excellent shot. So keep that in mind too, I look at it like when the shotgun folks say a .410 bore is a expert cal, yes its small but you have to be a good shot to use it, same thing here imo

[DanielB89]

if you want a heavier arrow, swap to carbon express heritage arrows in the same spine your current arrows are.  

simple solution

[freedomhunter]

Alright now I am getting aggravated, I took the fletching of one of my arrows with the weight I have been shooting.  After watching the arrow tuning video with Ken Beck I thought I would try to get them dialed in better.  I can not get a weak reading (knock left) no matter what I do.  30" 600 gold tip with 250 grains up front still reading stiff.  I made a draw weight reader for my bathroom scale and it is saying little over 26" draw is 50 lbs give or take a lb.  What the heck gives?  I really need help, if anyone is in FL close to daytona maybe we can meet up sometime.  I am just getting to that point.