I have a set of very straight grained 60-65 Acme cedars with 160 grain broadheads that weigh 495 to 500 grains. I have a set of Wapiti 45-50 cedars with 145 grain broadheads that weigh 455 to 460 grains. I have 3 sets of 50-55 wapiti cedars with 160 grain broadheads that weigh, my standard cedars, 515 to 523 grains. They all have three coats of poly for a finish. Cedar arrows can vary, it really helps to try to get wood arrows from batch to batch that are identical, but one needs to rely on the supplier to get that done. The doug firs that I get from Surewood are the same weight and spine range, as I run out of cedars and 1918s they will become my standard shaft. Except for the problem that they shoot so nice for me, I neglect my others so running out of the others will be unlikely.