Threads such as this are very valuable, especially to newer hunters. It gives points to consider from more experienced archers. This may assist a newbie when he first encounters such a situation. For us more experienced hunters, it reminds us to carefully reconsider the things we already know. At a 3D shoot, I don't like to see shot set ups that represent extreme situations, because, if we pull it off on foam, we begin to think we can always do it on the hunt. A tough, but makeable shot, is good training, but extremes may ingrain bad habits. I like this thread for presenting these considerations.