Killing the future of hunting

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by ChuckC:
we don't know what actually happened there.
ChuckC

Chuck not to be argumentative but I think we all are very sure of exactly what happened since there's no such thing as free range lion hunting hardly at all anymore its all put and take its a setup pure and simple pay money shoot the lion take your picture get it mounted go home and brag

That guy in no way form or fashion actually hunted and I say again hunted that lion

[Producer]

Well said Terry...

I read that the leader of that country has a taste for young elephant meat and allows certain unscrupulous things to happen for a price.  That is not hunting, when money can undo any challenge or adventure.

[Bjorn]

I'm with you Terry! There was no hunting taking place there. Dentist is a crappy shot too!

[ChuckC]

Terry, you aren't being argumentative, just discussing.  

Did he know all of what was happening ?  Maybe he did.  Maybe not.

If you were sold a line of bull and got stuck holding the stolen loot, just exactly what part did you play ?

Many of our guided set ups are not "hunting" as we here tend to see it.  

I was referring, however, to the real lack of knowledge out there.  He shot it with a crossbow / he shot it with a bow / it went for 40 hours / it went for 48 hours.  He lives in Wisconsin, he lives in Minnesota.  He lied about a bear, he probably lied to his mother when he was young.

It not OK to "lure" him across the line of the refuge, but it is totally ok to shoot a moose, or bison, or elk that crosses out of Yellowstone onto a private property ?  

I just don't know enough to totally pass judgement, except, that ain't my idea of hunting, or fun, or , or , or.

Male lions, according to the internet, tend to live up to about 14 years old in the wild.  They fight.  I am certain that when he lost his final fight ( he was 13 remember), he would have been clawed and bitten and ousted from his tribe, but probably not killed outright.  He would have developed infections, starved, died days or weeks later.

Is there a possibility that this was known, the lion was sold before this time because he is worthless as a dead former pack leader but worth 55 grand (or 50, whatever it really was) alive.  

This seems to be the way with elephants and rhinos lately.  

For all we know, the Game Commissioner was also in on it, but it went down poorly.  Point is, we don't know yet.

BTW, one of the posts on-line said he could " pin a playing card at 100 yards" with his bow. Stuff happens when you are excited.  

ChuckC

[Izzy]

Originally posted by ChuckC:
Terry, you aren't being argumentative, just discussing.  

Did he know all of what was happening ?  Maybe he did.  Maybe not.

If you were sold a line of bull and got stuck holding the stolen loot, just exactly what part did you play ?

Many of our guided set ups are not "hunting" as we here tend to see it.  

I was referring, however, to the real lack of knowledge out there.  He shot it with a crossbow / he shot it with a bow / it went for 40 hours / it went for 48 hours.  He lives in Wisconsin, he lives in Minnesota.  He lied about a bear, he probably lied to his mother when he was young.

It not OK to "lure" him across the line of the refuge, but it is totally ok to shoot a moose, or bison, or elk that crosses out of Yellowstone onto a private property ?  

I just don't know enough to totally pass judgement, except, that ain't my idea of hunting, or fun, or , or , or.

Male lions, according to the internet, tend to live up to about 14 years old in the wild.  They fight.  I am certain that when he lost his final fight ( he was 13 remember), he would have been clawed and bitten and ousted from his tribe, but probably not killed outright.  He would have developed infections, starved, died days or weeks later.

Is there a possibility that this was known, the lion was sold before this time because he is worthless as a dead former pack leader but worth 55 grand (or 50, whatever it really was) alive.  

This seems to be the way with elephants and rhinos lately.  

For all we know, the Game Commissioner was also in on it, but it went down poorly.  Point is, we don't know yet.

BTW, one of the posts on-line said he could " pin a playing card at 100 yards" with his bow. Stuff happens when you are excited.  

ChuckC

The more I hear of this story (too much) the more I agree with your statements. No one really knows for sure and when its spun by the media who make money off of telling salacious tales, the more they make this salacious.

   Believe what you want but before you condemn this dude (lion killer) be sure you swear off killing that Booner buck when he walks under your tree stand   because he was photographed on a preserve by a bird watcher over the summer and made it to the front page of your home town paper and now has a name like say "Cecil The Whitetail".    

[Stickbow]

Believe what you want but before you condemn this dude (lion killer) be sure you swear off killing that Booner buck when he walks under your tree stand because he was photographed on a preserve by a bird watcher over the summer and made it to the front page of your home town paper and now has a name like say "Cecil The Whitetail".  [wavey]

That is quite a stretch Izzy...

[Kingsnake]

You split the arrow!

[gregg dudley]

Originally posted by Stickbow:
Believe what you want but before you condemn this dude (lion killer) be sure you swear off killing that Booner buck when he walks under your tree stand because he was photographed on a preserve by a bird watcher over the summer and made it to the front page of your home town paper and now has a name like say "Cecil The Whitetail".  [wavey]

That is quite a stretch Izzy...

Not really,  It happened with a local elk out west a season or two ago.

[gregg dudley]

As far as technology, I can't believe no one has mentioned the "hex suit"...

Truth is that each of us has some gimmick that we have bought into.  I bet the list would be pretty fun to look at for this crowd of trad hunters on this thread.  We are humans so we contradict not just each other, but ourselves.

By the way, there is a growing trend of DNR, Game and Fish, and other state agencies making the use of drones while hunting an illegal act.

[Stickbow]

A guy sitting in a tree stand that happens to shoot a deer that is, unbeknownst to the hunter, "Famous". Opposed to someone who pays tens of thousands of dollars to hunt a species that they know is put and take so to speak, and it goes bad?

Maybe it is just me but there is a difference in culpability in the two scenarios.

[TaterHill Archer]

Originally posted by Bjorn:
Guys like the dentist who killed Cecil the Lion are helping to kill hunting!!

I just wish everyone would quit bringing up that he's a dentist.  Doesn't matter really how he makes a living.  And we're not all like that. ;-)

[gregg dudley]

Everybody knows that dentists kill more lions per capita than any other occupation, Jeff!     :D

[Izzy]

All joking aside, before you let your emotions get the best of you, all hunters should take a long hard look at any of the issues being exploited on the television and internet news outlets recently.

    Of course not all actions involving killing of animals are legal or supportable by anyone with common sense. THE issue is starting to take an eerie turn with people calling hunting an "ELITIST SPORT" for wealthy, white Americans and Euro Trash. Whats money got to do with it. What business is it of how a person spends the money they work hard to earn (excluding Dentist        ) sorry Jeff? And why does race matter as far as trophy hunting goes or for anything?

     You know those people who tell you what you "Must" to teach your children and what  you "must" believe? The folks who say you are a "Hater" if you don't support their social agenda. They're the ones ranting about the evils of sport hunting at the current time. I guess they're the same people who have always been behind anti hunting campaigns.

     These lions are the golden egg to catch the general, non hunting publics ear and the ear of hunters who don't travel to Africa or anyplace else away from their homes to kill animals that they don't have at home.

      Sorry if I sound like a crotchety, old hater but I guess some may see me that way. Thats their right to believe that and I won't tell them what they "Must" believe.

      Not that you aren't all well informed gentlemen and women that are free to have your own opinions, Im just begging hunters and their supporters to be careful what you take from the media.


                  Never Killed A Lion, Izzy

[ChuckC]

The media has handled this, and, frankly every other similar situation of the last maybe ten years quite poorly,  And, I believe, purposefully so.  

There was and still is a ton of misinformation, the latest being their jumping on the bandwagon of that second lion friend ( the second most beloved lion ?) having been shot, then, oops, it wasn't after all.  Absolutely no proof at all in their statement, but they sure jam it out there.

Same happened with that Colorado moose last year.

ChuckC

I think Yellowstone should have traditional archery seasons, it is becoming a petting zoo.  The one world elitist would have a hayday stirring up the sheep over it.  But really Yellowstone needs to have traditional archery hunting seasons.  I touched a deer, an elk, I could have touched a big buffalo, but at the last minute, I decided that I was about to get my butt kicked so I backed off.  Those bears that come to the dumpsters, are not bears, they are garbage whores.  Yellowstone needs to have a hunting season.  It will never happen, it would create more trouble than it would be worth.  Things are all backwards these days.  A doctor exposes the planned parent hoods for selling baby body parts, he becomes an enemy to society and gets a judgement against him to force him to stop exposing them, but the news media jumps all over things that have no bearing on day to day life and survival in our once free country.

[gregg dudley]

Unfortunately, people who never see any wildlife believe that what they see in Yellowstone is "real".