Outside temp too hot for blue melt?

[Longtoke]

was shooting in about 100 degrees, after a few shots i picked my arrows up off the ground and did a quick check to make sure my tips were screwed in good and the brass inserts twisted with the tips.


Is this normal for low temp melt glue?

[oldgoat]

Look for some High Temp glue , the stuff I got at HF is amber in color not milky. Works in west Texas temps.

[JimB]

There is also some friction heat caused during penetration of certain mediums,so I could see it happening.Changing glue may help.

[Longtoke]

I was stump shooting so i dont think friction heat was the trouble.

I prepped the inside of the shaft and insert with rubbing alcohol

this is my first set of carbons so im new to all this, just used the regular ferrul tite amber hot melt on my woodies and had no troubles, but this blue stuff...

[Wose]

Howdy,

If you are talking about Bohnings "Ferr-L-Tite CoolFlex" I've had the same thing happen in both hot and cold temps. I think it gets gooey when it's hot, and brittle when it's cold.

I've had less trouble when it's hot, I think I had one insert come out, but it doesn't get super hot here for very long.

When it's cold I've had several inserts pull out in foam targets, the foam gets denser and the glue gets brittle.

I still think it's useful, as I was able to pull different weights of inserts in and out when I was testing different spines of arrow and such, but I've come to view it as a temporary adhesive.

I'm using epoxy on my hunting arrows.

[Caughtandhobble]

I have had zero problems once I began to use the hot glue that Big Jim sells.

[katman]

rubbing alcohol has oil in it. Use denatured alcohol or acetone.

[TOEJAMMER]

For many years I have used  the low temp melt glue that Apple sells an have never lost an insert or broadhead. It gets hot in Colorado in the Summer too.

[oldgoat]

Another thing when I melt the glue on the insert and got it in shaft in have a bottle of cold water that I dip it in shames to set the glue.

[oldgoat]

Seams to set the glue

[lefty4]

Seems      :cool:

[Longtoke]

Originally posted by Wose:
Howdy,

If you are talking about Bohnings "Ferr-L-Tite CoolFlex" I've had the same thing happen in both hot and cold temps. I think it gets gooey when it's hot, and brittle when it's cold.

I've had less trouble when it's hot, I think I had one insert come out, but it doesn't get super hot here for very long.

When it's cold I've had several inserts pull out in foam targets, the foam gets denser and the glue gets brittle.

I still think it's useful, as I was able to pull different weights of inserts in and out when I was testing different spines of arrow and such, but I've come to view it as a temporary adhesive.

I'm using epoxy on my hunting arrows.

Yep thats the stuff.

I didnt know rubbing alc had oil in it, wont use that again.

I ran the tips under cold water after i set them because i was afraid of the carbon getting too hot. Exactly how hot is too hot when it comes to glue and inserts and carbon shafts?

I guess i need to get my hands on some of big jim's hot melt. that stuff seems to be highly recommended.

[Tedd]

I have had a couple types of hot melt get gummy and lose grip on hot days. I don't understand why low temp melt glue is advertised and  desirable? Did someone have trouble melting the stuff??

Just an hour ago I glued in 12 inserts with Bohning Insert Iron. I  had tested it vs Loc tire epoxy. After 1 day curing the insert iron was just a little stronger and doesn't need mixed. I think the insert iron says 48 hours for full strength bond.
Tedd

[oldgoat]

Thanks Lefty      

[huskyarcher]

X2 on big jims glue. In my experience that cool flex stuff is junk.

[Stump73]

X2 on the BigJim hot melt glue. Never had a problem with it in any weather.

[oldbohntr]

Cool flex is junk! Just doesn't hold.   Use any hot melt you want and don't overheat the insert or head, then mount it QUICK, wipe off any excess QUICK, and plunge it into a cup of water.  I have not damaged a single carbon shaft since I emphasized the QUICK part!

Or, try Gorilla Glue White....it takes a couple of hours to dry, but holds and will soften with heat(again, judiciously applied.....I always heat a field point installed in the adapter and jerk that sucker out as soon as it loosens.  Then, plunge it into the water again.