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Author Topic: Help date & value Bear recurve  (Read 611 times)

Offline Dave Bulla

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Help date & value Bear recurve
« on: November 07, 2016, 01:04:00 PM »
Hi all.

Been a long time since I've been on here and I need some help.

The widow of my best friend and archery mentor Bob Grauberger recently asked me to help her sell a couple of his bows.  I bought his main hunting bow which is an old Wilson brothers Black Widow and it's something I'll never sell. One of the others though is a Fred Bear Kodiak Special. I want to say he told me it was from 1964 but honestly can't remember for sure. This bow belonged to Bobs dad who was a very avid archer himself. I actually hunted with this bow one year just because Bob thought I'd like it due to my long draw. At the tone I was pulling an honest 31 inches.  It's a 64" long, 62 pound bow and yes, it was smooth all the way to my draw.

The story Bob told me about this bow is that his Dad had bought a new Bear Kodiak and hunted with it and I believe also shot a fair bit of tournaments. Something happened though and the bow failed. He contacted Bear archery about it and they ended up replacing it with the fancier Kodiak Special. It's a beautiful bow and I love the curved accent line in the grip/riser. Also love the white and black riser and tip overlays. Just looks classy to me. Shoots a heavy arrow well and hard.

Condition wise, its awfully good. Just a few very tiny dings in the left side. I tried to take pictures of them but may not be able to show them here as I'm having trouble with photobucket not letting me upload normally. I can load one or two, then I can't do any. Try later and I get one or two then more "upload failed". I'll post the couple I do have below.

Oh, it's also missing the medallion. I'm pretty sure it was there ten or twelve years ago when I hunted with it but it must have fallen out since then.

What I'd like to know is this:

Year of manufacture.
Correct medallion color.
Source for replacement medallions
Approximatel value.

The little searching I did was not a lot of help so I didn't find but a couple Kodiak specials and most of those were fairy low draw weight. It's been my experience that a nice solid hunting weight usually ads value to older bows since so many are rated down in the 30's and 40's

   

   

   

This is probably the biggest mark on the bow I can find. I'm sure it could be steamed out. I have another pic showing another area.

   

I also took pics of the tip overlays, limb logo, looking down the limbs etc. Will try to add more later.

Any help is appreciated.

I thought years ago when Bobs wife mentioned possibly selling some of his things I would buy this bow myself because it was understood that the family would never part with his Widow which was his real personal hunting bow. The Kodiak was the only bow of Bobs I thought I'd be able to get. Things changed though and his daughters recently decided that since none of them could handle the weight of Bobs bows they wood be OK with their Mom selling them. They seem to be happy I bought the widow because they know how much it means to me. I'd buy the Bear also if I had the extra money but at the moment I need tires on a car and an SUV plus our water heater is starting to leak. Kathy asked me to try to sell two bows for her since she knows nothing about them. In all honesty, I'm not as into them as I used to be (shoulders going bad) so I have not stayed current on values thus the need for some help. I'd like to treat her as fair as possible and get as much for her as I can. Pretty sure she needs it if you know what I mean. When I do all them, she'll get 100% of the money.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Dave


I've come to believe that the keys to shooting well for me are good form, trusting the bow to do all the work, and having the confidence in the bow and myself to remain motionless and relaxed at release until the arrow hits the mark.

Offline Dave Bulla

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2016, 01:27:00 PM »
While I'm asking...

The second bow is marked "Superflight" and "Olympian", 34# and 62".

Never heard of that one. Anyone know about them?

Condition would be good EXCEPT it is missing the upper surface layer of glass on the lower limb tip from the string notch to the tip. No visible delamination but I do not plan on shooting it as is just as a precaution. I figure to either sell it as is to someone who wants an easy project or repair it myself and add overlays. To me, even repaired it is likely not worth more than maybe $75.
Dave


I've come to believe that the keys to shooting well for me are good form, trusting the bow to do all the work, and having the confidence in the bow and myself to remain motionless and relaxed at release until the arrow hits the mark.

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2016, 01:56:00 PM »
Hello Dave... it has been a long time.

I can't help with your questions, but if you post this over on history/collecting more of the guys in the know may see this and help.

Better yet if a mod could move it for you.

Best of luck with helping her.

Rick
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Offline dbd870

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2016, 02:10:00 PM »
Assuming you have the year close I'm going with a brass coin.
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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2016, 03:06:00 PM »
Dave,

You might also post this on the collectors forum on here, might get a quicker answer.
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Offline TRAP

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2016, 05:09:00 PM »
It's a 1960 Kodiak Special. The glass on the belly of the sight window distinguishes the 1960 drom 1959.  

The missing "coin" was either copper or nickel depending on when it was made in 1960 or perhaps which bin the guy or gal grabbed the coin from.

When it comes to 1960 Kodiaks and Kodiak Specials I've seen both coins used.

Value: hard to say,  My guess is $350.00 tops. The Specials are great shooters but don't get the attention the Kodiaks do.

What are the specs on the Special?

Some lengths and weights are more valuable than others. If it's 62" or 70" it will probably be worth a little more than the 64" 66" and 68" which were more common. Hunting weight bows seem to up the price a little as well. 45#-60#.
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Offline Dave Bulla

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2016, 05:33:00 PM »
64", 62 pound pull.
Dave


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Offline Dave Bulla

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2016, 08:22:00 PM »
Thanks trap. Any idea for a good place to get a medallion?
Dave


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Offline Dave Bulla

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2016, 09:35:00 PM »
Tip overlays are in good shape.

   

Back of limb. (Belly is white)

   

Found another thread about the specials. Now I understand what you meant TRAP by the belly glass over or under. This is over so 1960.

Any idea how the 62# weight effects the value? Helps or hurts?
Dave


I've come to believe that the keys to shooting well for me are good form, trusting the bow to do all the work, and having the confidence in the bow and myself to remain motionless and relaxed at release until the arrow hits the mark.

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2016, 10:10:00 PM »
Kurt Bellefeuille was making copper coins at one time. Haven't heard from him in a while.

I think his nic is KurtBel5
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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2016, 01:16:00 AM »
I have owned a few Kodiak specials and special deluxes.

Looks nice and if thier are no stress cracks in the glass its a big bonus

I think Traps in the ballpark at 350$ tops

I am thinking somewhere around 300$.

They are a fine shooting and smooth shooting bow IMO.They have a very nice riser for that era.With the split riser,accent stripes and the overlay work is also very nice.

Offline Dave Bulla

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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2016, 06:41:00 AM »
I can't see any stress cracks BUT I can see some faint longitudinal lines in the belly side.  They look more like the "grain" of the glass and you can not feel them at all. I do know what stress cracks are, what they look/feel like. The visible lines might be the precursors to stress cracks but I would not call them that at this point.
Dave


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Re: Help date & value Bear recurve
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2016, 04:59:00 PM »
Does not sound like stress cracks at all.Stress cracks are pretty obvious visually and will typically catch a fingernail when dragged across them.

A coin would be nice.I rember some being for sale in the past.Cant help you parsonally.

You might start a thread about it and someone could steer you in the right direction

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