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Author Topic: Idaho Spring Bear  (Read 397 times)

Offline tomh

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Idaho Spring Bear
« on: November 07, 2007, 04:52:00 AM »
Looks like my next chance to hunt won't be until spring. Never hunted bear before and would like to hear some advice.

Is bait the best way for a beginner? What is the best bait?

How important is camo for bear?

Treestand or groundblind?

Thanks guys. The knowledge that you all share on here is much appreciated. Glad I found this place!

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2007, 07:35:00 AM »
Baiting is very effective.  Just make sure you read the game laws and get it right.  You will need to do a bunch of scouting to find areas that hold bear.  And if you are after a big boar, you need to think like you are hunting a big whitetail.  They are not a pushover by any means.  Give Ted Fry a call at Raptor Archery.  He guides for bear in Idaho and can fill you in on a bunch of info, I'm sure.

BTW I'd go with treestand and make sure you and your stand are camo'd to the hilt.  If you can see the stand from the bait site, so can they.

The shows you see on TV in northern Canada do not show bear that have been hunted.  Heck most of them have never seen man until it's too late.

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2007, 11:49:00 PM »
I would try to find other bowhunters if possible and pick their brains.

Another method besides baiting is spot and stalk.  Find areas that green up early.  The  hydroseeded banks along logging roads are an excellent example.  Bear are drawn to places like this early in the year.  Be very careful of noise and especially scent.  

No animal in the woods has a nose like a bear. Like the saying goes:  A man see's a leaf falling in the woods, a deer hears it and a bear smells it.

Good luck.  I hope you find a big one!
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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2007, 11:52:00 PM »
tomh---get hold of greenhed, he was wanting to bait last spring. he posts on the ITB forum a lot.

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 12:40:00 AM »
Baiting is fun.  26 miles from boise I had 19 different bears hitting the bait.  That however does not translat into an easy kill.  I got "bear fever" and missed one at 18 feet.  In the spring sweet stuff works best, or the thrown out veggies from the local supermarket.  In the fall anything will work.
the key is to have a good scent trail, airborne and also have bears step into grease and track it through the woods.
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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2007, 02:29:00 AM »
I have been a bear baiter for nearly 30 years. I think what you use for bait effects the taste of the bear- and here in Idaho; we are required to salvage the bear meat.
                                                     
 In that light; I use sweets; not meats. Used to be it was easy to find bait; but now- now finding bait: is a hunting adventure of its own.                                                
  One thing you can always use is popcorn. Pop up 25 gallons of it for each night; and when you pop it- pour jello mix on it; or syrups; or sugar.
  I also use grain; (not whole oats!) But rolled oats and in a 'sweet mix'. You buy it in 50 pound bags.
  Dogfood with syrup poured on it works well; but sweet grains works well too.
  Fish is a no-no if you want good tasting bear meat. In Alaska and other areas where fish are a main part of a bears diet; the thought of eating bear meat: makes people sick.
 But inland grizzlies and black bears that eat berries and leaves for the primary part of their diet- the bears are utilized for their meat and the fat ( which is used for making pie crusts for one thing).
                                                     
  Camo is important; and can with old bears be a real need. But stand placement is probably the most important thing.
                                                 
 If you outline yourself - bears used to hunters: WILL pick you off; best camo or not.
                                                 
  You need to be part of a tree with lots of branches for cover to break up your outline.
                                                     
  Bears like to walk downwind of a bait to check it out first; and if your not high enough in the tree- they will pick you off that way too. Of course you can use the contour of the land to help with this; but believe me; bears do not want to die; and work hard to avoid danger when approaching a bait.
                                                         
 Yes young bears; and those not exposed to hunters will blunder into baits.  But most old bears are really wise about baits; baiting; and hunters.
                                                   
  I think my most affective way to hunt bears is to utilize two stands over one bait. Both are placed as perfectly as possible; and you use only one until you kill a bear--or-- know for sure you have been picked off. Then- move to the other stand.

 The longer the stand stays there untouched; the better the chance that scent will not alert the bears to its presence.


  I also like to put a sweet treat- like cherry gumdrops- just a handful- where I can shoot only from from the stand I am NOT hunting. ..Always a treat in safety..that is what you want the bear to think.
                                                     
 I want a bear to come in thinking he has totally fooled me- (and believe me they do that virtually- if not every- night of the hunt).  
                                                         
  I hopefully just need the bear to be fooled once.
                                                   
  While I try to do that with one stand; having a second set up ready is a great plan.
                                                 
   Your not hunting an animal that has no clue what death is; or that is not used to fear. Boars will kill cubs to force a sow into heat; sows know this; and cubs learn about danger early in life.
    If they live long enough to be a big bear; they will probably have been attacked more than once by other bears; and have seen other bears die over territorial disputes; and as food to other bears.
   While some bears are not thinking 'death from above'; bears in most areas are thinking about hunters in trees. Its not a give away.
                                                   
 As noted; although every bear can look stupid- those that are hunter stupid- are virtually all from areas where a bear has never seen or smelled a human; let alone have to think about hunters.
                                                       
  If your hunting Idaho; your not likely to ever see such a bear.
     

   Ideally your treestand should be from 12 to 15 feet off the ground. In reality you might have to go up 25 feet; and that makes your shot angles critical.
                                                                                         
 I have taken all my 15 or so bears- from within 15 yards. You want a sure shot; a sure identification ( as to presence of cubs); and the ability to move without making noise.
  Bears have ears that work well for them.
                                                 
Expect a big bear to watch a bait from about a hundred yards or more: all day. The bear will watch you go in; and if you don't come out - it will note it. It will figure out your routine; and then use it to its advantage. If you set up a pattern; like leaving the stand at dark; the bear will wait until after dark to come in.
  If it gets used to you coming in after the thermals change; it will probably come in before the thermal change.
  Everything makes mistakes; and that includes bears. But if your method is to wait until the bear makes a mistake- you probably will not get the bear your after. You have to figure out what the bear has figured out about you; and then trick it.
                                                   
  It is like hunting a trophy whitetail; you have to be thinking all the time.                
                                                  This is a good time to start: for next springs hunt  :)
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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2007, 02:59:00 AM »
Thats a damn good post Brian!

Offline tomh

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2007, 05:07:00 AM »
Thanks Brian, I think I will have to read your post a few times.
If anyone wants to mentor a newbie I am looking for one! I am all about picking peoples brains before I boldly stumble around in the woods.
This is a great site. Thanks for all the answers guys. I am sure I will have a lot of questions when I digest what you have already given me.

Can anyone suggest a reading list on the subject?

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2007, 05:36:00 AM »
How does ASAT work for bear? Or does camo need to be color matched to the surroundings?

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2007, 06:03:00 AM »
Well I have been reading every old post I can find on black bear hunting, and have been copying and pasting the good stuff into a word document.

Can't wait to get back and start getting out there to enjoy my new home!

Offline Brian Krebs

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2007, 01:45:00 AM »
The better your camo is matched; the better your chances. That means matched to the part of the tree your in. I have worn brown wool in one situation and got picked off; and worn it in another and was not spotted.
 
                                                    I like to cut branches off the tree I am in; or the same kind of tree; and stick them behind me in the stand; and even tie them on if nessesary. One side benefit of this; is the next year the stuff I tied on will be brown. That helps in matching my camo.                                            
I will find bear trails ( after a bait has been hit for a while; the trails are pretty obvious). Bears will lift off any twig that will snap when they step on it; and move it aside; so bear trails around the bait will be wide; and relatively smooth.  I follow these trails; and do so stopping often to crouch down and look at my tree stand.  
                                   
 You can often see a bedding area that overlooks the area; and spots up close where bears are staring at your stand.

  Little bears; especially boars are not going to hang around big old boars; so encourage them to stay; as they can alert you when they see a big bear coming in- or other bears.  
                   
  But beware; bears climb trees; and little bears will often climb trees near the bait. If they find your stand; it will in their minds- be THERE stands.

  A tree stand is a perfect place for a small bear to lay up - while a bigger bear eats at the bait.                                            
 The danger is that if your in the stand; and the little bears come in - and then a big bear comes in--- your likely to have a visitor in the stand with you.                                  
                                                  They can; and often will - come right into the stand with you.                                      
                                                  Most often they will stop at the stand and try to figure out what to do; and you can poke it in the nose with an arrow; or wait for its next move.                                                  
 Remember that bears can move lightening quick!! Most likely- they will lower themselves and run off. They might wait until the boar leaves; it might be a long wait   :)  
                                                   Then again; they can decide to join you in the stand; and that means you have to get serious. I have shot several bears off my foot; or while they were climbing into the stand.                      
                                                    Ravens and buzzards are common at natural bait sites; like over dead elk or deer; or even other bears. These birds will make all kinds of noises to scare bears off kills; and bears can get used to it; so don't think talking; yelling; or shooting a pistol will nessesarilly scare off a bear. Been there - seen that.                    
                                                   If the bear is content to stay under the stand; wait for a shot on the boar at the bait.  
                                                   If you find bear claw marks on your stand tree; hair in your stand; or the stand seat ripped up etc- this is probably what is going on.                                      
 
 Thats alright though; its a good indicator that a 'good' boar is in the area.

 If a big boar charges the stand - HOLD ON ! They can lift a stand up in the air: and that is an interesting time. They ussually will give up after a charge; and its ussually not the biggest bear there that is doing it.
                                                   However these bears that hit your stand - should be shot. Its real dangerous to get lifted up while in a stand- safety harness or not; in fact: the safety harness is kind of step one.. of being a pinata.

 Normally - for any bear - the slightest hint of you being there will keep it away.                
 
 Just be aware of the possibilities.                                      
 I had a popup blind set up and apparently was leaning against the wall a little; and had a bear put its foot on my back while sniffing the blind. Ground blinds work real well; but like every setup - being discovered results in the bear being super-cautious; and I suggest taking advantage of any blunder a shooter bear takes.                                            
 I really love bear hunting   :)
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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2007, 02:22:00 AM »
Dang Brian you should write a book and tell some pinata stories!    :D    :thumbsup:    :pray:

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2007, 06:53:00 AM »
Yep are usually a one mistake animal.  I hunted one big boar in Washington for three years before I got it right and he made a mistake.  Never had one join me in a stand but did find scat in a stand and have had my seats tore up a number of times.

Bear hunting is about as much fun as a guy can have if your doing the work.  Because it's a lot of work.  You should be scouting now and running test baits as soon as the bear are out and about.

Then establish the bait sites.  One trick is to pour fryer grease on the ground around the bait.  The bear will track it off and make a "good news" trail for others to follow.

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2007, 09:30:00 AM »
Is spring or fall better for quality pelts? Do they lose hair as it gets warmer?

Brian I can tell you love bear hunting. You must have a ton of great stories. What is the terrain like where you hunt? Do you have bait sites you use year after year?

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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2007, 10:34:00 AM »
Brian has been known to use small children as bait, covers em all over with Corn syrup....

he is especially fond of Predator camo too....
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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2007, 04:14:00 PM »
Thats a neat avitar Mike; is that your camo skirt- your wearing in it?   :)  

 ( he promised not to tell about the children !! and its grape syrup - I am not totally mean )

The terrain here is either up or down. If its flat is a road. When you put a bait out; if hound hunting is allowed; you have to take into consideration where your bait scent goes; and where the bears go to 'scent check' the bait.      
                                                   If the bears go close to a road; the bears might well be smelled by the hounds. So; take that into serious consideration.                    
                                                  I like to be in thick cover; with the area downwind in the open; except for one thick area. My hope is that the bear will use that thick area to go scent check the bait; and that makes it a canidate for a treestand.                      
                                                  Where I bait ( and yes I bait in the same area year after year) there are lots of rocky barren areas with pikas chirping when bears go by- all rocks - no vegetation at all downwind; except for one 40 yard strip of heavy cover.        

 Although I hunt one area really seriously- I do move from tree to tree; and the area I bait is a long strip - not just one bait site. Every winter dead trees fall; and the bears route changes. You can use this to your advantage of course.

                                                     Another thing is I put a stand up a week before I get a hit on a bait- I might have a bait site I used last year; and put bait there; and then when I establish a bear is coming in- I put up a stand a hundred yards away. I will not go near that stand for a week or two; while I keep refreshing the bait at the old site. Then I start baiting at the other site- with the stand. That way; the bear is less likely to smell my stand tree.                                                
 If I have a 'proven' stand; I will start baiting a hundred yards away; and put my stand up where it worked in the past. When you put a stand up; your going to put your human odor on the tree; and a smart bear will sniff the tree; and climb up to figure out what your up to.

 Leave that moment for when your in the tree: and have an arrow on your bow.

                                                   Did I mention I like bear hunting ??
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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2007, 08:58:00 PM »
Yeah Brian,

Re: my Avatar, I'm trying to now hunt in an ASAT Kilt,,,and no I won't tell you if I have anything on underneath it.  The Kilt looks particularly good w/ my camo hat & long hair     :thumbsup:  

Have you got a spot for my tree stand this spring in God's Country?  There's a certain bear who I have an appointment with, the one whom ripped out a 3 foot section of my wall tent last fall.

I'll fire off a PM to tell you about NY Whitetails...
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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2007, 12:14:00 AM »
Mike: you STILL think that was a bear ??  :)
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Re: Idaho Spring Bear
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2007, 07:42:00 AM »
what is the best time of year for prime pelt? A lot of bear pics show some spotty fur.

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