OH I wanted to add,,this one time at the range,,I was shooting by myself,,shooting fair that day, I caught up with a group of really nice folks,,there was a fella in the group shooting a long bow,, I asked if I could tag along,,, well I went from fair to not even hitting a target,,granted,,first time I ever had that bow out and yes the string was brand new but I totally fell apart,,really felt bad,, I sold the bow,,LOL,, but now I'm shooting real well within 20 yards and feel very comfortable to effective at that yardage for game,,JB