My longbow form

[Terry Green]

That may be what you mean now, but its not what you said earlier.  I'm not concerned with what John 'said'.

[Terry Green]

And you just said it again....a Static description.... and in your second sentence you even admit that you said it.

"Terry, However you want to call it the hands upon release should stay exactly there.Thats what I did say"

Howard's release hand moves off his face from anchor at release.....end of story.

[cvarcher]

When you are seeing his hand sometimes move off the face and thats straight back not away, is after his release of the string from that exact spot.You should be  concerned at what John says, he was taught from Hill and has been authorized to describe exactly what Hill taught to John in teaching this form by his wife Elizabeth.End of Story.

[Ostrorogi]

Dont argue boys...
For sure there is something wrong with my pose or release...
Let me put simple exsample, i shoot 6 arrows, i hit dead center or nice group with 3 or 4, and 2 or 3 go somewhere, arround.And that from 5 or 30 meters, distance dont matter. So im sure that center shoots are ok, but others are strange, somethimes i catch myself that i made ugly release, but for rest i really dont know.
But i think as you described me, i lower ancor arm, when im catching the bow. I have to make myself two finger string for ancor arm. At least i can try that to.

[Terry Green]

I don't need to be told by John what I'm seeing for myself.....even if they contradict one another.

[Terry Green]

"When you are seeing his hand sometimes move off the face and thats straight back not away"  EXCATLY!!!!

AGAIN....this is NOT what you said from the begining...this is a DYNAMIC release and you were touting a STATIC release....and claiming Howard had a static release just because John said so....and it aint so.

Here's your exact words from earlier...

"He emphatically states the hand should stay on the face and upon release with both hands do nothing'

I'm going to argue because there is way too much missinformation going around about Howard....and that's why we have the clips available to prove how he shot.

[cvarcher]

Terry, I have all of Howards movies from the 30s on. Maybe some you havent seen. And of course there are some shots where his hand moves alittle in a straight back motion, but he keeps it on the face and most of the time that release of the string happens so fast from that spot hes on that it looks like he is dragging it out.Maybe our interpretations are a little different here.I suggest to anyone to try both ways out. One where you keep pulling back while you think you hit anchor and one where you try to keep it exactly spot on and release as close to that spot on as you can and see which groups better.When you get real good you can release before at or after anchor especially with moving targets .Thats something else again. Boy I sure wish Jerry Hill would chime in here!

[SHOOTO8S]

CV,with respect.....that single preverted misunderstanding of Howard Hill having a static release,and the release hand should never move, has keep a untold number of guy's from ever becoming good archers...and the sad thing is, Howard Hill DID NOT shoot in that manner,because he was an excellant archer, and his princples of the shot, do not differ from what the top Olympic coaches teach today, in fact the #1 coach, teaches a variation of HH's swing draw, to force a low and relaxed bow shoulder......bet ya thought the swing draw was for hunting?  

[cvarcher]

Well, I didnt make up any of this. This is what Ive heard from Hills best student.Hill himself describes the 2 common errors on release and shows it and then shows the correct way. The correct way shown on that video shows his anchor hand hardly budging upon release.Ive seen a video of Jerry Hill on Believ it or not and he holds that anchor point like it was glued to his face.I only mean well to anyone looking for any pointers.Ive been at this a long time too and there are times my hand moves back but its on the face and the arrow is in the bull just as when my hand stays static.I think the main thing is keeping the hand as close to the same spot upon release otherwise your draw length will be floating.I think I will try a video of my release and shooting and see what the heck it looks like.

[Ostrorogi]

I would like to see it

[SHOOTO8S]

CV, I dont think anyone is accusing you of making anything up.

I also dont believe anyone has said,the release hand HAS to move all the way back to the shoulder, only that with back tension and no antisipation of release the hand will move straight back...not remain static on the face.

I think where the misconception lies is in HH's statement of "on release the hands do nothing", a statement in which I agree 100%, the hands shouldn't do anything extra above what has already been prepared in the shot before the momment of release......and that INCLUDES doing anything to deter the natural result of proper back tension.

[cvarcher]

Shooto8S-- thats what I mean and that is a good interpretation of what Hill says too. You have a better way of explaining it.I hope Ostrorogi gets it!

[John Dill]

It must be done Howard's way or no way these days......blah, blah, blah. I'll keep doin what works for me. I admire archerys greatest too.....but not to a point that it blinds me. Keep an open mind and always look for ways to improve your shooting performance. Good luck!!!

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by John Dill:
 Keep an open mind and always look for ways to improve your shooting performance. Good luck!!!

Thank You!!!