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Offline Konrad

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Posture on The Line
« on: July 24, 2010, 08:26:00 PM »
I thought I would share some hard-won information gleaned from hours at the butts.

There are myriad queries on the internet archery forums regarding all aspects of bow tuning, sights, releases, arrows and broadheads. There is little discussion regarding the archer’s shooting form. This is one of the most over looked and under-discussed issues facing the archer attempting to maximize accuracy.

We read volumes on coping with the dreaded “target panic” and how to use the mystical “surprise release”. But many things must be in place prior to the execution of the surprise release. The following are some techniques I try (sometimes more successfully than others) to incorporate in every shot sequence. This first post will cover body posture on the firing line.


A: Foot placement is as critical to consistency as any part of the exercise. Be it the open, closed or neutral foot stance the archer’s ability to reproduce the same, stabile foot placement is undeniable. I am a right-handed shooter and have found a slightly “open” stance works best for me.

“Open” refers to the placement of the foot further from the target. My stance has evolved to the point where my right foot is almost one half of its length further forward than the one closest to the target. Slightly angling toward the target gives greater clearance between the bow holding forearm and the string. This can be extremely important when wearing bulky clothing as when hunting. It also allows my bow arm to more naturally align with the target.

I believe that when drawing the bow and aligning the front and rear sights the front sight should naturally be pointed at the target face. If I find I must continually make right/left corrections during aiming, a very slight adjustment in foot positioning is all that is required. Then, choosing the correct elevation pin and proper alignment of peep to sight housing becomes the only major concern when sighting.

B: Position of the knees becomes the next skeletal focus on our way upward.
Military folks have known for generations that the locking of the knees restricts circulation and promotes poor ventilation of the blood stream. It is not unusual for military personnel to pass out while at attention for extended periods of time. People just plain forget to breathe!

Slightly flexed knees with relaxed leg muscles make it much easier to stand on the line without fatigue. Another benefit is while paying attention to the knee/leg/muscle alignment; one also tends to be made more aware of weight distribution between the two feet. It always amazes me how I tend to favor my left leg when not paying attention.

Even weight distribution combined with relaxed leg muscles makes for a very stabile platform upon which to set your hips.

C: Hips, yes I said hips. I had the opportunity to see my posture one day while shooting from my deck, in front of a sliding glass door. What a shock! Gut hanging out, shoulders hunched and hips in front of my knees!

By looking at myself, I found that by starting from a slightly bent over position and then straightening out and focusing on hip placement, I could get everything back into alignment. It felt strange at first (50+ years of bad posture is tough to correct in one afternoon) but with a few weeks of focus things became more natural. I also found that by concentrating on holding my lower abdomen and other parts in, the hip alignment became much easier to maintain. Even today, if I haven’t practiced for a day or two, when I pull everything up, my back actually pops!

The main point here is to construct a strong, resilient, stabile platform from which to launch arrows.

D: The last part of this is spinal alignment. I incorporate this into my hip alignment process.
I imagine a string attached from the center of my hip sockets, running up through my back and out the top of the back of my head. Then I try to pull this imaginary string from above my head.
It is striking the difference seen when looking into that glass door!

Now, we have built my superior “launching platform”.

The next post will cover drawing the bow.
…and you thought is was just hauling back on the string!

I know this was a long post and to many of you this information is not needed.
I am constantly striving to improve and do not have the luxury of a coach so I thought I would toss this out for others to ponder.
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Offline Terry Green

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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 09:27:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Konrad:
 There is little discussion regarding the archer’s shooting form. This is one of the most over looked and under-discussed issues facing the archer attempting to maximize accuracy.

Not on this forum.....

I see this is your 1st post on TradGang's Shooters forum.  Might want to look around an read a bit, and  you will see how much proper form and alignment are stressed here.  It is PARAMOUNT on this forum.

AND, how that form/alignment is really from the waist up, allowing you to shoot from various positions.  That proper alignment means you can take your 'backyard shot/accuracy' to many bodily positions that we get forced into in the field with the same confidence and that you do not have to be the same o'l statue just to run a accurate shot.

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Offline Konrad

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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 01:03:00 PM »
You are right about not looking at the “Shooter’s” forum. It was moved here by management and in truth the PowWow is where I mainly lurk.

My goal was to help those beginning in the pursuit. Those practicing kneeling, bending, shooting around obstacles and twisted shots have no need of my post.

Consider the stump pulled.
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Offline Terry Green

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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 02:12:00 PM »
Your post is a good post for those learning and a reminder for when we get off track....everyone must develop their 'backyard shot' to the fullest so they can move to more difficult shots..... as you will find that stressed here as well.    

Just letting you know what's here....


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Offline BobCo 1965

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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 12:42:00 PM »
Weight distrubion was briefly mentioned, but I would add the weight should be placed 60% on the balls of the feet, and 40% heals (equally on both feet). Also, the center of gravity should be slightly in front of the archer.

I'd also mention that there is a huge tendency in archers that I see to put their feet in an open stance, however, close the stance off by shifting their hips into a closed stance (the legs will then go out of position)instead of twisting the torso to square off the shoulders to the target.

Offline TRAD101

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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2010, 02:49:00 PM »
I don't have an elevation pin,peep, OR sight housing on my long bow. most of my shooting is taking place sitting down in my tree stands or kneeling on the ground. As Terry said form/alignment is from the waist up for me because I am practicing 100% of the time for hunting.

Offline Konrad

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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 05:37:00 PM »
Excellent observations Bob Co.
I tend to be long-winded, so self editing sometimes skips important information in the hope no one gets too bored in the read.
Still banging away though.
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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2010, 06:22:00 PM »
I was interested in the mention of pins and sights. A friend gave me some old archer stuff from his garage (unfortunately not a collector bow) but neat stuff anyway, and one thing was a Cartel sight. Looked more like something you'd do carpentry with. Mounts on the forward side of the riser above the shelf and has an arm extending away from the shelf to the right (RH bow)

How many of you practice with a sight and is there any value to this? Also, how do you use one of these things? Seems like it's harder than shooting instinctive.

Thanks
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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2010, 02:58:00 PM »
Cartel is a manufacturer of many archery accessories. They range in value from inexpensive to fairly pricy depending type and complexity including bows, risers, finger tab releases, sights, quick release connections and stabilizers..

The sight you are describing is typically used in Olympic style archery contests. It is a form of Field Archery with specialized equipment and rules allowing stabilizers, rear facing V-bar stabilizers, counterweights and no restrictions on arrow weight (that I am aware of).

Perhaps, there is a small aperture with a post and ball similar to the Globe Sight found on long range sporting rifles of the black powder to modern powder transition era. The bead covers the bull’s eye and the circular aperture is held in alignment with the circular rings on the target face.

Most sights of this type are too fragile and too time consuming for rapid target acquisition and rough field conditions so often encountered in hunting circumstances.

You may be able to sell the sight (depending on age and condition) on any number of archery forums. Go to Lancaster Archery Supply’s web-site and type in Cartel.

 http://www.lancasterarchery.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=87&osCsid=ar7ra9ulgcriak6pe5ohs1hlo5
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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2010, 04:01:00 PM »
Thanks Konrad. I think I'll check this out some more before trying to sell it. Based on the pics I saw on lancaster, and not sure if they stil make this model since this lookes like it's brass and I don't see any brass sights, it may be missing a part or two. Does not have the peep sight. Just pins.

Maybe I'll tape it on a bow and fool around with it. Can't shoot much worse than I do now.

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Re: Posture on The Line
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2010, 10:05:00 PM »
I wasn’t clear on what you had (permanent state of confusion).
The pins are individual sights.
The closest to the top being the closet range.
The bottom pin (giving more elevation) is for the maximum yardage.
Plain brass was very common in earlier sight configurations. Now days, pins are injection molded painted steel, anodized aluminum or blackened brass. Many of the newer models have fiber optic filaments protruding from the very tip of the pin in place of the bead for more accurate aiming in low light conditions.

You are correct in assuming that instinctive shooting is much faster than using the above. The advantages of the pin arrangement are finer accuracy and extended yardages.

As in many things in life, there are trade-offs with benefits and negative compromises with any sighting system. No doubt, it will provide interesting experimentation; however, most sights are rigidly screwed to the riser. Having had this done to one of my recurves, I can say when I saw the results; I knew I had made a mistake. The fellow at the archery shop didn’t even try to talk me out of it. I regret it to this day.

Screw holes are like tattoos: easily applied and hard to take back.

One thing I found in traditional bare bow shooting that made accuracy at extended ranges easier was marking lines on the upper belly of the bow in the window for elevation gauging. This is illegal for bare bow tournament matches but acceptable in the field (depending on the crowd you run with). You can always remove painted marks from the bow’s belly.
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