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Offline BowsanAiros

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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2011, 10:20:00 AM »
After watching your videos I see much improvement in your anchor and release...
But shooting at a bail without any specific target doesn't tell you if your torquing the bow.
One of the easiest ways to find out if you are, is shooting at a vertical line. Tape a piece of
 cardboard over your backstop. Draw a line with a marker or what have you.. (Make sure you focus on that line)..
If you torque the bow, you'll see it instantly..
You can fix any fliers you have by changing the position of your waist.. And to do that, is by moving your
 right or left foot slightly. Do this at about 3-5 yds but make sure your backstop is chest level.

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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2011, 12:46:00 PM »
McDave, I have been trying to consciously NOT put too much pull in the arm. Yesterday, after the video analysis when I went back outside, I could really feel the back muscles being used.  By concentrating on the technique and working to get that down, I could feel my arm not doing so much of the gripping and drawing. BowsanAiros, I will use the line to see if I can tell anything about my arrow flight. I'm heading to the range this afternoon. I'll take all the advice and I'll record with a tripod and camera.    :archer2:   Thanks very much. Video to be posted this evening I hope.
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2011, 05:24:00 PM »
This video is done without a shooting glove so that I can better see the "hook" and some of the finger release. Looks like I'm dropping my elbow rather than rotating it rearward.
 
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2011, 05:25:00 PM »
A look from behind to try to see what my back is doing. Again, the elbow looks high and not rotating properly ????
 
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2011, 05:27:00 PM »
This is a close up from the front to try to get a read on what I'm doing.
 
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2011, 07:45:00 PM »
After watching my own videos I can see that it looks like I am trying to over do my elbow rotation to the rear......back to the range...
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2011, 08:32:00 PM »
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2011, 08:55:00 PM »
Todd,  Your string hand direction along you face is much better and like some other said after your 2nd video posting, you are holding much better.  That is you have slowed down your release -- this is GOOD!

In your first video just posted, you mention that you are overdoing  the elbow rotation.  YES!  It is from still having too much upper arm and anterior deltoid (back of the shoulder) involvement.  See how your string hand ends up straight up in the air above your shoulder?  If you can get transferred into your rhomboids and at that point take you shoulder out of the system (relax the shoulder and hold with your scapula pulling toward you spine) the motion of your string hand should be straight back along your jaw and stop either on the back of your neck or on the top of your shoulder.

In the second video, from the back.  Watch how when you get to full draw, your string arm elbow stops moving. It should not stop but continue to pull although the movement is very small.  This happens as you transfer the power to your rhomboids and off your shoulder.  Also note how your shoulder blade is sticking out.  This is as it should be.  On release the shoulder blade will snap down toward you spine and in this video it does.  The problem is that as you watch your shoulder to too adds to the effect which is causing your string hand to pop up into space.
Actually the very first shot in the back view is quite good but the rest show that flying hand.

In the "in front of the bow" view, your string hook looks very good with no torque on the string that I can see.  On release your hand disappears behind your head and that looks good but from this angle I can't tell if your hand is up in the air or on your shoulder.

In any case, you have made great strides in the last couple days and you are far closer than you may think right now.  Too bad we live so far apart since I think one face to face session would have you right where you want to be.

In the mean time  and next time you go to shoot try this:
  When you get to anchor, consciously see if you can feel the weight of the bow getting braced on your bones from the bow hand to the bow shoulder to the string arm shoulder.  If done correctly it will almost feel like you get a weight let off.  Like what you get on a compound bow but maybe not as drastic.  If you can feel that, then just relax your string fingers and let the string slip away.  If you have really achieved bone on bone support and gotten your shoulder relaxed, your hand will only move straight back and stop on your neck or top of the shoulder as the shoulder blade only has about a half inch to travel.  Do not make a conscious effort to move your string elbow back, it should happen automatically.

If you watch my "release" video again (if you can stand it) watch the string arm elbow closely and you will see it continue to move toward my back in a horizontal direction.  After the release see where my string hand ends up or stops and compare it to your videos.  If you haven't, you may also want to watch the video about shooting a Hill bow using the BEST system.  That will give another set of views.  One of the clips there is directly from my back and you can compare shoulder movement to yours.

Todd as I say you really are VERY close.  When trying new things it can be very frustrating right up to the eureeka moment.
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2011, 09:04:00 PM »
After typing the last response, I found your last video posting.  First shot really good, second shot hand up, third shot good!!!!

You are looking smooth but what stands out on your "good shots" in this video is how effortless the shots look.  You don't force the motion.  As I said before, this will take concentration and practice and patience but you've made GREAT progress.

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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2011, 10:05:00 PM »
see my pm
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2011, 02:37:00 AM »
Todd,
Following your thread has been very helpful to me as well. I'm gonna try the relaxed curled wrist from Arne's videos tomorrow morning. It's awesome how knowledgeable and helpful people are on here. I wanted to add something that helped me tonight. I built a formaster and tried it out. I finally felt a very relaxed drawing forearm and less forced/ more natural  "slipping" of the string. Note- Saw it on Masters of the Barebow 3 and they said to not use it on bows 60+ lbs
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2011, 05:07:00 AM »
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   Todd, Following your thread has been very helpful to me as well. I'm gonna try the relaxed curled wrist from Arne's videos tomorrow morning. It's awesome how knowledgeable and helpful people are on here. I wanted to add something that helped me tonight. I built a formaster and tried it out. I finally felt a very relaxed drawing forearm and less forced/ more natural  "slipping" of the string. Note- Saw it on Masters of the Barebow 3 and they said to not use it on bows 60+ lbs  
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Glad you got something from it! I can't believe what it's done for me having those guys help out!! Also Javi sent me a pm with a video to watch. I'll see if I can send it on to you. Watch near the end where the coach talks about holding the shoulder blades in place. That little bit of information is right on the money. I am shooting in the competition on Pow Wow and this weeks (week 4) shot was lying on your back. When I laid on the concrete driveway, my shoulder blades couldn't rotate in the incorrect manner I was used to. By holding them still from the pressure of laying down, I was able to shoot quite well. Check it out over on Pow Wow. Here's a video of the practice before the actual competition shoot:
 
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2011, 07:04:00 AM »
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2011, 07:08:00 AM »
Hopefully you can post Mike's video for us all to learn from.  I've had some coaching help from Moebow this week and will be sending him another video tonight of the progress along the lines of this thread.  I'll start a new thread and post before/after videos as well as the diagnostic help he and several others have graciously provided.
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2011, 08:07:00 AM »
Here it is Rob!
 http://www.performance-archery.tv/?q=node/75

I used my large training rubber band after seeing this video along with moebow's advice about transferring tension to the rhomboid muscle after I have anchored....seems to be helping me Rob. Thanks for the post and will be looking for your new thread.   :thumbsup:
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Re: Quick question about "release"
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2011, 11:51:00 AM »
Very interesting site.  Didn't realize 7 months ago when I started shooting again that I'd end up in physiology class....lol.  But I'm glad I'm here.  Great thread Todd, gotten lots out of this one!
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