Form Videos, Critique please

[CoyoteCommander]

Im new to this site and relatively new to traditional archery.

Ive poured over the form videos on here, compared them to how (I think) ive been shooting, and taken a lot away from the comments. But, ive decided to make a few of my own.

A little bit about how I shoot:
I shoot three under. I use a three point anchor, tip of index finger to corner of mouth, first knuckle of thumb (knuckle at the hand/thumb joint) to the back of my jaw, and cock feather touching the tip of my nose.

Issues ive been having:
Striking my nose. This pops up from time to time, but I know what im doing wrong when it happens (turning face into the arrow to much).
Lack of back tension. Good news is, I know I didnt do it right before the arrow even hits the target, the shot just doesnt feel right.

Anything else you can see in the videos, just let me know. I am jello, mold me.

From the front.
   Front Video

From the rear. (Couldnt get my phone up high enough so cant see to much here).

   Rear Video

[CoyoteCommander]

Forgot to add, in the video shot from the front, a thumbs up was a good shot, the "iffy" signal was a so so shot.

This is the group from the front video. The lowest arrow there was the "iffy" shot at the end. Just didnt feel right from the get go.

   

[moebow]

You've pretty much identified the areas to work on.  Not much more to add.

Lookin' pretty good.

[CoyoteCommander]

Thanks moebow.

I was hoping you'd chime in.

[BrianH]

Hey that range looks familiar.  There is a good group of stickbow shooters at Sandhills Archery Club,  hope to see you  at the shoot this weekend.  

Brian Horn

[Terry Green]

I stopped the video before you even shot....your nocks are too tight.  That can cause lots of problems.

You do not want your arrow hanging on for dear life when the string returns to brace.

Going to watch the rest now...

[Terry Green]

Can't see the upper quiver attachment, but your lower one needs to be moved up into the fade outs more....you can see that attachment move up creating an angle when you draw the bow and return perpendicular after your shot.

Saw that before I even watched you shoot....

Now going to watch you shoot...

[Terry Green]

I can see why you are dropping your bow arm....

How far away is the target during those shot?

[CoyoteCommander]

Originally posted by Terry Green:
I can see why you are dropping your bow arm....

How far away is the target during those shot?

20 yards is the distance.

When you say I have to move my lower quiver attachment "up into the fade outs more"....what exactly do you mean? Whats a fade out? I have it pushed on there about as close to the grip as it can go.

Why am I dropping my bow arm?

Thanks

[Terry Green]

Your 'power points', string elbow and bow wrist are both above your shoulder line.  Both are moving down on release because in that position your are generating downward energy.

See the form clock thread at the top of the page....I did some stick figures on there somewhere describing that.

The fad outs are where the riser fads out into the limbs....and it will go higher.  If it wont, you need to get another bow quiver that will.  Don't have time to explain all, but 'all' will be even worse if left like that and full off arrows.

   

[Friend]

Pay particular attention to your bow arm movement at release. Terry's advice is precisely what I see. Proper alignment will quell the bow arm downward thrust and you thus incurr a much better shot experience and even tighter groups.

The bow arm should not be trying to hold the bow static at release. Permit the proper alignment, fluid release as well as proper complete shot execution dictate inherent minimized bow arm movement.

You appear to be progessing quite well.

[Terry Green]

Coyote.....hope I didn't run you off....

Here's why...

Set up like this....No

     

Ends you up here in the blink of an eye....

     

[CoyoteCommander]

Hey Terry.

No you didnt run me off, just digesting and trying out your remedy via your form clock.

I think it cured my bow arm movement post shot, but I find I have to sort of "scrunch" my head down and kind of lean forward a bit to get my sight picture where I want it (where it was prior to lowering my bow wrist).

When I first started shooting traditional I was very hunched up, not expanded, and it cost me an inch of draw length.

Since educating myself some my upper body has gotten more and more erect, my head has gotten more erect (although still kinda canted and scrunched down), im fully expanding and hence using back tension, and my consistency has gotten better. But, this I think has caused my wrist to come up as well.

My question is, how concerned should I be in keeping my upper body and head "up"? Im still new enough to where im not set in my ways and would rather get it at least close to right before breeding to many bad habits.

Shooting tonight I felt very comfortable once I figured out how to get my sight picture with the lower bow wrist. But, I am leaning forward slightly and scrunching my head down more than I was in those videos. Accuracy was about right with where ive been the last couple weeks.

As long as my power points and shoulders are aligned, should I not worry so much about "standing up straight" and keeping my head up?

Thanks, the tips on this site have no doubt shaved months off the learning curve for me.

[Terry Green]

No worries in adjusting your head to get on target and get all lined up visually.

Just because you lean your head over a bit to meet your anchor doesn't mean you shouldn't be expanded.

I didn't see you shoot before so I don't really know what you mean by scrunched....but again, adjusting your head to get your 'sights' lined up should not effect back tension.

Your bow arm isn't moving a great distance and as long as its not moving left to interferer with the flight of the arrows escape, you may not want to change anything.  However, it will make you not as accurate in the field with varied shot positions having that energy going down instead of toward and away from the target.

If all you are going to do in the field is shoot deer from a treestand.....you probably wont have any problem 'as is'....so, you gotta find out what works best for you and what you hunt.