arrow hitting arrow rest

[bbaker]

This is my first post and not sure what I am doing. My arrows are hitting the front edge of my arrow rest on the release and thus making a loud sound. I cannot figure out what I am doing wrong. I shoot a long bow hybrid. Can someone help?

[moebow]

bbaker,

An irritating problem that has NO answer with the information you provide!!

Need ALL the bow specs, including YOUR draw length.  Also need ALL the arrow specs.  Spine, length, point weight and material of the arrow: C, Al, Wood.

Give us some (any) info to work with and we might be able to help.

Could also be a shooting form problem.

Arne

[McDave]

Also would like to know your nock point, brace height, and recommended brace height for the bow.

[bbaker]

Thanks. Bow is 60", 42# at 28". My draw length is 28. I shoot carbon CT whitetail 35/55 with 145 weight points. Arrow length is 29". I am concerned that it is a shooting form problem as you say, but I can't seem to figure out what I am doing. Hope this info helps.

Lar

[bbaker]

Brace height is 7' and that is the recommended. I should add that the bow shoots very well. I don't have a problem with the accuracy, only with the arrow noise from hitting the rest. It also does not do it every time, but most of the time. This is why I thought it must be form.

Thanks

lar

[moebow]

OK,  3555s are about .500 spine and a little stiff.  Higher point weight might help.  For what it is worth, I can release a perfectly matched arrow and make it "slap" the bow vigorously.

What I am suggesting is that your form/release may need attending too, but to be sure a video would help.  Even pretty mismatched arrows (in spine) will shoot pretty well IF you execute well.

Arne

[McDave]

What is your nock height?

[bbaker]

Thanks Arne. Wish I could do the video, but not really possible at this time. I will try a bit more tip weight or even a weaker spine. Sounds more and more like my issue is form and perhaps my release. Just not sure what I am doing wrong with that. Can you suggest anything I should pay attention to in particular? I am shoot two fingers under using a glove. The glove is fairly worn. I try to be careful with alinement keeping everything straight. My wife says my elbow is at times a bit up. Perhaps I am not releasing it with the fingers properly. I guess without seeing it you can't help much. If you have any suggestions on the form please let me know.

Thanks again,  Lar

[bbaker]

McDave. The top of my nock point is a bit less than 1/2 inches above the rest.

Thanks

lar

[moebow]

"I try to be careful with alinement keeping everything straight."

If you are as relaxed as possible especially in the string arm,wrist and hand, your alignment should be the result of the bow's forces aligning YOU, NOT YOU aligning the bow.  Don't force alignment, let it happen.

Arne

[McDave]

Try moving the nock point up to 5/8" and see if that helps. Can't hurt.

[mahantango]

Yeah,nock point sounds like it could be a little low. Keep that elbow down, in line with the arrow shaft, deep hook, push bow hand straight towards target, pull through the release.

[bbaker]

Thanks. I will try the nock point. Pulling through the release sounds like it could be an issue. I think I pull to my anchor, 3rd finger in corner of mouth and then release, but not sure if I am pulling thru as I do that or just anchoring and opening the fingers. Just returned from shooting and tried pulling through the release although not quite sure how that is done or what it looks like. I did have less slapping and noise so maybe I am on to something. Any tips on how to pull through the release? I am trying imagine how that would look.

Thanks for the help. I feel like I might be getting somewhere.

Lar

[McDave]

There are two kinds of releases, dead and dynamic.  Both are good releases, although you will find advocates who push one or the other as being best.  Among the prominent archers you will hear about on this forum, Rick Welch is one of the main proponents of the dead release, while Rod Jenkins is one of the main proponents of the dynamic release.

Both releases involve pulling until the shot is released.  If you stop pulling, you start collapsing, which could be a problem if you feel that you are opening your fingers.  There should be no conscious opening of your fingers.  Admitedly, this is a precise use of language, because it is fine if there is a relaxing of the fingers and letting the string push them aside, or a subconscious release that just happens, but not fine if you just open them.

The difference between a dynamic release and a dead release is whether you are pulling through the shot, as opposed to just pulling until the shot goes off.  If you are pulling through the shot (dynamic release), your string hand should end up somewhere in the vicinity of your neck, or shoulder next to your neck.  If you are pulling and just waiting for the shot to go off (dead release), your string hand doesn't move much after the shot.

If you want an example of a dynamic release, you can look at Masters of the Bare Bow 3, Rod Jenkins section.

[bbaker]

Thanks McDave for the tip. I am new to this and have never heard of Welch or Jenkins so I will look in to them. I think it is pretty clear that I need to work on my form. I appreciate all you guys giving me a hand. Thanks to all of you for sharing your experience with me.

Lar

[moebow]

bbaker,  What McDave describes dynamic vs. static is correct.  here is a short video that might help with your visualization of a dynamic release.  See if this helps any.  

Arne

[mahantango]

You say you anchor with your third finger at the corner of your mouth. For me, the position of the third finger on the string is not the most consistant. Try middle the finger, it might increase your point-on distance a little but at this point you probably won't notice. To me, pulling through the release simply means when I reach anchor I continue pulling while relaxing the fingers and let the string slip away. The draw hand, forearm and elbow should move directly away from the target, while the bow hand and arm push towards the target. All energy should be going in a straight line  directly towards and away from the target. Look at Terry's form clock for good examples of alignment.