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Offline Noctis

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Forgetting the basics: Stance
« on: December 01, 2016, 10:17:00 AM »
Posting my experience on the off chance it helps someone. One of the first things most of us probably learned when beginning archery was to square our feet. Somewhere down the line my stance got lost in the haze of working on more complicated form issues like elbow alignment and back tension. I first started noticing something was wrong when for the first time the string started hitting my nose. I looked to my anchor, which has always been consistent, then to the glaringly obvious: tilt, don't turn. At first I thought it the product of my straightening out considerably due to better elbow and back alignment, but of course *improving* form shouldn't lead to a problem. I finally had an epiphany when I realized just how much I was straining to look head on at the target when in my stance.

The best I can diagnose it is somewhere along the way I became too rigid in the whole "keep chest straight, only turn head" rule. For a lot of us squaring up is the *first* step of our shot, and, ironically, it remained mine also, but the fact that my body had gotten so used to doing it the wrong way made it automatic. It only takes a very small angling of the back foot and slightly too little rotation of the waste to really screw things up. Now that I opened my stance back up to a neutral/non-strained position every aspect of my shot has improved. No string on the nose, elbow alignment feels drastically easier, etc.

Just a cautionary tale in case anyone has some of the same symptoms as I did. Don't forget the basics!
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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2016, 04:18:00 PM »
Sometimes we just need to stop and take a look at things, whether we perceive a problem or not.
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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2016, 06:58:00 PM »
Pix of yourself in action allow YOU to see you.  Sometimes, if I tell you you are doing something it doesn't carry the weight of YOU saying the same thing.  Can't fight your own visuals.

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2016, 08:17:00 PM »
Working on my form lately myself and have increased my draw by about 2 inches. Very happy about this, but started to hit my lower lip with the string!  I watched a bunch of videos of myself and realized (after days of suffering a fat lip!) that I was turning my head slightly to the right in order to get that last bit of draw.  Doing some closed eye shooting at the blind bale really made me aware of this motion and I started to correct it and enjoying a painless shot!   What is the proper way to move the head after full draw is achieved?  Tilting it down to the string but maintaining the direction of the head toward the target?  Or do you pull directly to the anchor and try not to adjust your head at all into the string or over the arrow?

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 08:56:00 PM »
"Or do you pull directly to the anchor and try not to adjust your head at all into the string or over the arrow?"
This one Dan.  Draw to your head, do not "go to get it."

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2016, 09:21:00 PM »
Thanks Arne!  I was just watching all your great videos again and see that I am definitely moving my head over to the string tilting it and turning it as I started to expand.  Been doing that probably some 35 years now..LOL!!  Its funny how, even after watching great videos like yours, Masters of the Barebow, etc, that it takes so long to realize these flaws. I am going back and going to REALLY listen to the form recommendations.  The videos with my phone really helped me see the problems. I have been putting my phone up in the garage rafters above me to get a view from above for alignment.

Dan

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2016, 09:25:00 PM »
...one more thing:  I am 6' 4" tall and had been shooting a 27 1/2 draw for many years. With this form improvement I am now shooting around 29 1/2.  You can probably imagine what my form looked like with the shorter draw!  

Also,  I really enjoyed seeing your fast shooting with the rotational draw.  That is reassuring to me as I had a post here recently regarding needing to shoot quickly at times with game as an animal passes quickly through an opening.  I counted your draw to release as very close to just two seconds!

Thanks again!

Dan

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2016, 08:38:00 AM »
With the bad stance I was also moving my face to my anchor, which became especially exaggerated when I'd tire. Another sign I should have picked up on. Posting my form vid definitely helped, as you guys clued me into my flinching. Even when it wasn't hitting my nose I was still subconsciously moving my head away from the string. My stance was angled away so I was straining so much to be head on that I'd reflexively back my head out on release. Whereas now my head barely moves.
Wing Gull - 64" - 45#@28”
Wing Presentation - 69" - 36#@28”
Black Widow MA X - 64" - 58#@31.5”
Alibow Manchu "Yarha" - 64" - 45#@35”
Mariner Ming Moon 6 - 53” - 50#@32”
Mariner Qing Dragon 2 - 64.5" - 54#@36”

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2016, 08:41:00 AM »
How do I watch form videos on here?  I have an apple and it doesn't want to play the videos?

Dan

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2016, 10:01:00 AM »
Although stance is important when learning to shoot and form....form is above the waist.  Good for knows not what is happening below your waist....via your feet, knees, lying on your back or stomach.

It is always good to go back to the basics when you have an issue as well as the bale.

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2016, 01:12:00 PM »
oldrubline,
If you are asking about my videos, they can be found here.   https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMoebow1/videos

They play just fine on all  my devices, iPad, Android, and Windows.  I don't have an apple computer but as I say they seem to play fine on the iPad.

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Re: Forgetting the basics: Stance
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2016, 01:23:00 PM »
Arne...THANK YOU!   But...no, I am talking about the videos on Tradgang...they don't play on my apple.  I have watched and rewatched your videos on Utube.  Those work fine...

Again,  thank you for support and for contributing those excellent videos to the Traditional/bow community.  Putting all of the careful form into the quickly executed shooting where you "...beg to differ"  that this type of shooting 'can't be done' in fast paced hunting situations is also very very helpful to me. Again, looks like you are getting shots off with good form in around 2-3 seconds!

Dan

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