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Offline MontanaS

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Impact angle
« on: April 06, 2017, 11:04:00 AM »
Been a long time since I've been on the sight. Mainly because I got distracted some years back and went to the wheel bow. But now I've finally seen the light and returned thanks to a dear friend who got me a Bear Grizzly. Anyhow, its a 45# bow and I'm shooting Beman centershot 400's with a 125 grain two blade magnus stinger. The arrows seem to be flying nicely but they all impact with their tails to the left so that if I were to walk straight back from them as they are sticking out of the target to the same distance from which I shot them,  I would be several feet to the left of my original location. Could the impact be finger plucking, the target, spine, what?

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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2017, 12:09:00 PM »
If the Beaman 400 designation means .400 spine, I would say that's a little stiff for a 45# bow with a 125 grain broadhead, assuming you're drawing around 28".  Do you notice any wobble in the arrow flight?  Do they hit where you're looking/aiming?  If they fly true and hit where you want, then you're probably okay.  The type of target can influence the angle of the arrow after it hits the target, as can the other things you mention.  If your form is consistent and you feel like delving further into it, I would suggest some bare shaft testing to determine what spine and point weight you should be shooting.
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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2017, 01:26:00 PM »
They fly pretty true and hit where I'm aiming.

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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2017, 02:00:00 PM »
What is your draw length? Are you shooting right or left handed?
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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2017, 04:42:00 PM »
right handed, 27 1\\4" DL.

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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2017, 06:58:00 PM »
Tail left with the arrows impacting to the right of the bullseye would mean weak for a right handed shooter. Are your arrows impacting in the bullseye, but nock left? Make sure you're shooting fletched arrows with bare shafts. If you're not able to group your fletched arrows, then your results could be your release.

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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2017, 07:22:00 PM »
Just came back in the house from shooting. Figured it out. My release. To much finger. Moved string out of creases to between fingertips and crease and arrows began going in straight.

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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2017, 08:39:00 PM »
Moving the string out to the finger pads may not be the best solution to your problem.  While quite a few great shooters have held the string on the pads, particularly in days gone by, it creates a lot of stress on the fingers and makes it difficult to relax the back of the hand and forearm.

Possibly you have discovered your problem, though, and it may be that you were attempting to dump the string by forcefully opening your fingers rather than relaxing your fingers and letting the string push them out of the way.  Relaxing the fingers promotes a quick, clean release and enables you to use a deep hook, which means holding the string in the crease of the joints with the tips bent back towards you.  I don't know how you were releasing the string, of course, but many people try holding the string on the pads to get a cleaner release, whereas they could get an even cleaner release by using a deep hook and relaxing the fingers.
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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2017, 10:41:00 AM »
Could be a lot of things, as mentioned.  I also think they are too stiff for your bow, but if they work....   If they are stiff, the rear of the arrow could be impacting the bow and causing it to kick left (making the whole arrow appear as if weak).  Could be a pluck causing the arrow movement.  Cut the feathers off one and see how it flies bare shaft.  That will show a lot if it is REALLY out of spine.  Just make sure you have a safe backstop cause an arrow that is really out will travel left or right of the target.  Use a field or target point for bare shaft, not a broadhead.

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Re: Impact angle
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2017, 01:16:00 PM »
Agree with ChuckC - possibly a false weak reading due to being overly stiff, depending on shaft length & insert weight.  A properly tuned arrow should show you nothing but nock the whole way downrange.  I've shot some wildly out-of-tune arrows that start with the nocks visibly outside the line of the shot.  But they always straighten out by the time they impact the target 15-20 yards out.  Bareshafts are unforgiving so until your form is very consistent, you'll be chasing your tail.  For the better part of a year, bareshafts told me more about my form than my arrow spine.

Until you're ready to hunt, I wouldn't worry about it.  Give it several months of dedicated practice & just try to hit what you're aiming at.  2-3 months before the fall, if you're feeling ready to hunt, spend the time and money to get a well-tuned setup.  Until then, just shoot & have fun.
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