Hey Denny, that first big bull that we stalked, the one that I said "had everything". Andrew and a rifle hunter shot him a couple weeks after you left. He shot it through the heart with a .450 Marlin from 30 yards and it just charged flat out with no hesitation. They both emptied their rifles and Andrews forth and final shot dropped it with a spine shot, it came to rest against the tree that the hunter used as a gun rest! I KNOW you were closer than 30 yards when we made the stalk. The bad news is that it will score about 106", that would put it up in the middle of the top ten. They were all very happy to be alive that night!