Has Dr. Ed Ashby named names yet?

[J from Denmark]

Hi folks
Anyone knows why Dr. Ashby doesnt mention zwickey heads in his newer studies ?

Maybe he feels that he tested them enough on the old study ?

I have tested the delta with a tanto tip on fresh cattle bones along with several other heads, and I am pretty impressed with the head !

Jacob

[Ontario Longbow]

51 @ 26 Robertson Peregrine, 540g Gold Tip Trad with 200g broadhead, Stos 160 + adaptor. Probably lighter then alot of Eastern bowhunters might use this has been (so far) my only non pass through deer. I've had several compound buddies tell me about arrows "bouncing out" of shoulder hit deer with their 60 lbs+ compounds and multi blade broadheads.
 
 

I whole heartedly belive in  2 blades and 2 holes. I'm going on a fall bear hunt here in Ontario,, I'm just pondering between my two favorite braodheads, Stos 160's or Magnus 160's. i don't know if the extra 1/4 inch in width will make a difference? ,, Frank

[Arrow4Christ]

I agree with Ontario.

[GroundHunter]

Different take: Thank you Dr. Ashby for demonstrating, and documenting, what Maurice Thompson, Saxton Pope and Howard Hill all said about broadheads and arrows in their books based on lifetime bowhunting in the traditional fashion. Saxton Pope actually conducted extensive field tests coparing 2-blade steel broadheads to Ishi's 2-blade obsidian broadheads, and found the obsidian's had significantly better penertration. Something like 30% more - sharp, serrated edge. See "Hunting With The Bow and Arrow" by Saxton Pope, 1923, Chapter: "Archery In General" pages 47-48 in the 2000 edition, where he also noted, (as did Howard Hill and Grizzley) that a file sharpenned head cuts through meat better than a stone shaprenned one. Funny, how all these serious field-testers keep comming up with the same answers from 1873-2006. Nah - 3-blade razor sharp HAS to be better - right?

For a definition of "traditional": Thompson, Pope and Hill suit me fine. Yet, we will always find makers, and users, who "like" their other broadheads better, and just "know" they "have" to work better. Fine, use 'em.

Almost any boradhead from a modern 50# bow will shoot through a Texas hill-country whitetail, broadside, or quartering, and chop the spine. Bigger game, and big hogs, maybe not.

The most telling results of Ashbey's report is in the greater consistency of the 2-blade broadheads in killing game from all angles and shot placements (even in the rump) due to consistently greater penetration in real hunting conditions on real game - lots of it. Read the report, then argue with it.

Frank, Ashby's report did not include any deer, as we would think of deer. I've spine-shot deer with a light aluminum arrow and a fragile 3-blade thunderhead. Dropped the deer, at 15 yards, but I had to finish it with a heart shot.

Ashby's report also showed the 2-blade's penetration got more through shots for better blood trails. I like blood trails.

Last year, I used MA-3's. One tough solid 3-blade head. Shot several through deer, one full-length body shot (chest hit), at 29 yards (70# Wesley Special - 600 gr. cedar arrow, 3-blade 125 gr. MA-3.  It can be done.

Then I used a Magnus snuffer. Thing makes an heck of a lot of noise! compared to the solid MA-3 3-blade, and the solid 2-blades. I don't like noisy arrows. Last thing I want is my deadly flesh-cutter whisleing at the deer on the way there. Never shot another snuffer.

So, I use 2-blade MA-2's (economy) and Grizzlies ( pricey) - with confidence. Go Ashbey!

That's what I think, but try 'em and make up your own mind.

[GroundHunter]

OK, I read all of Asbey's reports, including the latest where he stresses using shaving sharp, honed blades for asiatic buff fiberous hides, and not the file-sharpenned ones. Interesting.

It's great to have a resource like him to help us get it right, and compare our own firld results. Looks like there is a lot of variation in BH tpye for the dangerous game we are after.

So, I take it back, there's surely room for great, consistnet  3-blade effectivelness on dangerous game that isn't a cape buff or asiatic buff - like bears.

I'll buy Frank's experience with bears.

[liteandsirens]

I have a question. My wife shoots a 40#compound. I have been experiencing with arrow weight, and her lighter arrows are penetrating equally if not more than the heavier arrow. Could this be because the dramatic decrease in velocity with the heavier arrow? please help

[Seven]

Originally posted by liteandsirens:
I have a question. My wife shoots a 40#compound. I have been experiencing with arrow weight, and her lighter arrows are penetrating equally if not more than the heavier arrow. Could this be because the dramatic decrease in velocity with the heavier arrow? please help

It could be, but without knowing the full details we'd just be making a guess.  A few things that could be the reason(s): if you are using the same weight point the FOC on the lighter arrow will be higher.  If the lighter arrow is thinner it might penetrate more.  If the points are a different profile (one a field tip the other something like a bullet tip) the penetration will be different.  And don't forget that penetration with a broadhead will be different then with a field tip, so the heavy arrow might penetrate better with than the light arrow once broadheads are installed.  I'm not sure I've solved your problem but that should give you some material to think about.
-Seven

[Diamond Paul]

FrankAK: I've shot several deer in the spine and shoulder with three blade heads (Muzzy, Montec); killed 'em deader than doornails, but I was shooting compounds with ACC 3-60's at about 280fps.  Shot one deer at 30 yards quartering to me dead in the shoulder joint and found the arrow buried to the fletchings in the ground on the other side.  Also shot a 200lb hog straight down through the spine with a Thunderhead; killed him, but it didn't exit the breastbone.  However, I have no doubt that 2-blades work better out of traditional bows, although I might shoot Montecs out of my recurve at deer this year.

[Diamond Paul]

FrankAK: I've shot several deer in the spine and shoulder with three blade heads (Muzzy, Montec); killed 'em deader than doornails, but I was shooting compounds with ACC 3-60's at about 280fps.  Shot one deer at 30 yards quartering to me dead in the shoulder joint and found the arrow buried to the fletchings in the ground on the other side.  Also shot a 200lb hog straight down through the spine with a Thunderhead; killed him, but it didn't exit the breastbone.  However, I have no doubt that 2-blades work better out of traditional bows, although I might shoot Montecs out of my recurve at deer this year.