Yap Mike is was a sad time for archery when that was going down....Here is something else one may think about.All 3 of them well actaully about 5 of them and archery appraisers.I just had a customer at my shop who had an appraisel done by one of them whom charged the guy 165.00 for the appraisel.The guy has several very good very fine condition bows....but the app told the guy his 1960 Kodiak was worth about 2 grand.Yes 2,000.00 dollars...Now you tell me,is there any normal production run Kodiak worth 2,000.00.Ya I know someone will come back and say its worth whatever someone will pay for it.If you find the guy let me know cause I got a few 2,000.00 bows for sale too..thats about one of the worse things the app.could have told the guy because he was wanting to sell some bows.He wanted to know who to contact about selling the 60 for like 1,800.00 cash or so.I told him to contact the app.and after he gets done just stomping a mud hole in the app.azz to call me and I will finish the job for him.I just in my heart of hearts know there ai'nt nobody,nobody paying 2 grand for any Kodiaks right now.Now the worse part is the guy's insurence company cancelled his coverage,because he can not I repete he can not prove the bows are worth what that stupid azz app.told him.Just so's the app.could make 165.00 off the dude.bd