Thanks for the input fellas. I was surptised to find I could actually use two sizes of these things to good effect. I like the weight and smaller diameter of the MM series and would love to locate a small reserve of both the 8.7 and 8.6 sizes. Any help tracking down a source would be greatly appreciated and I hope any of you will feel free to call on me if I can be of any help down the road. Thanks, Grant