Hello Guys, This is my first post, even thuogh I have read every post for the last few years. It seems like I know most of you, though I`ve only talked to Wade Phillips at Nebraska Trad Shoots. I`ve learned so much from you guys just reading your posts I collect double shelf bows And thought I had all the Fred Bears until Wade told me I was missing a few.(anybody have a double shelve Grummly for sale LOL) Anyway I have a L.E. Stemmler osage selfbow of Manorville NY Model 12F8 45# 68`` It has a green leather grip. Any info. on when made, value, how many made. I`ll be going to Compton in june so maybe I`ll meet some of you face to face. THANKS!! Ken