Wait...for nothing

[Abear]

Know how it feels when a real nice collectable Kodiak shows up on the sight,The seller is new so nobody is doing a lot of bidding on it yet,have high bib just waiting for the end to get my last bid in and WAM  ITEM IS NO LONGER FOR SALE.. I can only guess what happened but I could be wrong,..........heck with the economy the way it is gotta save a few bucks ,The seller wont realize how much he lost......I have been lectured by other collectors on how it is but soetimes I still dont get it I guess Honor ,Integrity,Honesty is it missing ?,I know sometimes as a collector there are deals that do come along but the easy way out make an offer and eliminate the competition ?and if I hit a little close to the truth sorry,If we loose the very things that traditional archery and traditional history is founded on well its sad.Its like getting an old baseball card off a kid and telling him it is not worth much because its old.I just needed to vent a little becuse I really wanted this one ,I know this happens a lot but it still dont make it right.heck mabye I am wrong and he just decided to keep the bow mabye and I would feel real stupid but you decide, because I am sure it probably happen to you.Shoot straight,Chris

[Blackhawk]

I feel your pain, but maybe an even better one will come along...they always do, right?

[shaft slinger]

Christ, the bow belongs to the seller if he wants to sell it for $1.00 or $1000 is up to him.
 if i have a bow for sale and a buyer offer me a price under the asking price and i thank it is a fair price i take it, if it was on the an auction site you could have  put your top bid on it and let it ride.
 maybe you don,t thank that way and you are entitaled to that.
      IMO     Harold

[Jeremy]

It's happened to me, and like Harold said, it's just the nature of fleabay or buying used anywhere really.  Pawn shops and tag sales are no different, except on the 'bay all the seller has to do is a simple search to get an idea of the value.

Of course, I've been known to contact the seller after placing a bid to let them know exactly what they have     They are less likely to end the auction early that way, though you risk of them running up the bid through a friend.

[Abear]

guess so but taking advantage of someone with no knowledge of collecting or e***still brings an element  of dishonesty and sorry you are right it was his bow  and if i had a bow that was worth 1000 and decided I only wanted 500 it was my right BECAUSE I know what its worth,But  going in an offering a person a lowball offer knowing FULL well what the bow will bring at the very end is WRONG sorry and I didnt get my high offer in yet because i was still asking questions about the bow it still had some time left,as far as a FAIR price what is fair if you have no real refrence to value ..I must be to old fashioned and believe that honesty comes first. but hey Im sure everybody will aggree if you paid 200$ for a 1200$ bow you got  a FAIR deal.

[PAPALAPIN]

You get sellers that pick up a bow at a garage sale for $20.00 and have no idea of what they have.  Someone offers him $100 to end the auction and they jump on it.  It is buyer beware..but it is seller beware also.

I've done it myself with no reservations.  

Guy had a never strung Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet.  He bought it years ago for $200.00.  He started it at $200.  At $275 I contacted him and offered him $350.  He jumped on it.  I suddenly got an uncommon bit of consious and told him I wold just bid $350 and see where it went.  Maybe I would get it cheaper.  Fat chance...it went for $700 and was a bargain at that price.

[Abear]

As far as bows they will come and go, people are people,they will also come and go butfor the most part the people I have met on here and at  various function are the best,so I am done ranting and sorry if i offended anyone,

[Abear]

At least I can sleep better,This is what the seller posted and I guess having a job is a good thing in todays economy and it is a good thing NOT to loose your humanity   "thanks chris,my wife was being conned and no it didnt sell. the fact is we have been out of work for a few months and things are tight that would be the only reason for selling the bow but i am relisting the bow tonight with a 500 reserve and let it go to pay bills thanks"   OBSESSED RICH MEEEEEEEE     that be further from the truth   :rolleyes:   na just working to much

[Jeremy]

So when you find that '59 MSW Kodiak at a tag sale with a $50 price tag on it what do you pay?  

As I said, it takes around a minute to do a search of completed listings on fleabay.  Most sellers are just looking to make a few bucks off of something.  If they picked it up for $20 and someone offers $200... it only takes a minute to check the completed listings to see if they should hold out.  Most will take the money and be very happy.

[Abear]

jeremy true but if you are selling things of yours off to pay bills with no other option after you lost your job is  alot different than  picking up something at a garage sale and making a little money off it.

[PAPALAPIN]

Hey...times are tough...I feel for anyone in that situation...except for the grace of God that could be me.

What was the bow, anyway?

[Bjorn]

Yeah! Why is it never me? No one has ever ended and auction early for ME. And on top of that I have never seen a decent bow of any kind around here at a garage sale-just old computers, and stereo TV, fireplace combos...........very few people hunt.
In a high school of 2000 kids my daughter is the only girl with a hunting license-we can't even wear camo in town! What's this world coming to. Thank you; I feel so much better now!!

[DAVE1275]

Abear here's the story behind that bow.The day he had listed it I sent a question to seller asking if it had any holes drilled limbs straight ect..No reply--next ime I look at it auction was cancelled.Then it got relisted so I sent the same questions again no reply.Then the next day well 2 days ago he sends me an e-mail that said would you be interested in buying the bow outright for 425.00 I said yes but I don't have the money right now.And no I didn't ask him to end the auction early.We'll last night he sends me another e-mail that says could you do 300.00 including shipping.I said yes I would take it like anyone of you guys would have done and you know it.So he ends the auction last night and sends me the info and says send him a money order in the morning.I checked my e-mail this morning and he said he decided to relist it, no big deal.I wasn't trying to rip him, he asked me if I wanted to buy it for 300.00 I wasn't saying no I'll give you 800.00.That's the story.I was a little worried about sending him the money anyway the whole scenerio was a little weird I just sold a bow for 275.00 and thats about all I got to play with anyway you guys can have it.  Dave

[kurtbel5]

Hey Hey
Most all of us know the value of a bow +/-,(except Wade lol) only goes to say occasionally, we will be bidding against each other and should play it how ever seems the best way.      
Win some and lose some,and more bows are right around the corner.
Remember we do this for fun, if you need money sell, if you have money buy.
 My .02
PS:
Wade only saying you might not be + or - in your business.lol

[TRAP]

For the Record.

The guy purchased the bow for $200.00 twenty years ago and it's been hanging in his den ever since.  He didnt buy it at a garage sale for $20.00 and now trying to make a quick buck.

There's a huge difference between buying a collectible bow at a garage sale with a piece of masking tape that says $20.00, and offering someone less than market value to end an auction early.

In the case of the garage sale, the seller has set his price and is happy if he gets it.  When a seller puts an item on a worldwide auction service with no reserve and no Buy It Now price he is expecting whatever the market provides at the end of the auction.  To interfere with that strategy is unethical IMO.  

This topic has been discussed before and there's always people on both sides of the fence.  Some will say "all fair in love, war and bow collecting"  Sorry, I disagree.  

Without copies of all correspondence with the seller it's impossible for us to know exactly what transpired.  Who cares.  We all know this takes place on a fairly regular basis.  Funny thing is, it's usually an inexperienced seller that gets screwed.  I suppose he's easy prey for some.  

Kurt, you are correct, most of us know +/- a few bucks what those bows are worth, but an inexperienced seller does not.  You are also correct in stating there are more around the corner.  There always will be.  

I may have stepped on a few toes here by speaking out against someone's favorite "buying" strategy.  I could care less.  My conscience is clear and I'll sleep good tonight.

Thanks for bringing this topic up Chris.

Trap

[FBB]

I bid on this bow and was a bit happy to be out bid since I decided I shouldn't be buying another, anyway this is what was sent to me earlier today.
"Hi there, sorry about **** dumping the auction on the 64 Kodiak. They are gettting really particular with wording, etc. It will be back on this evening for a 3 day aucion ending Sunday evening. I hope you will bid again. Thanks"
- longun1

  I'm not sure what was going on with it but as soon as wacky things start to happen to an item I'm bidding on it makes me a bit nervous and usually I'll bail on the item. Hopefully who ever buys it everything will work out.

[Earl E. Nov...mber]

I don't have a problem with the seller. Truth of the matter is, it's a guess what it will bring in the end, if he's happy, I guess I am happy for him.
I do have a problem with the guy's integrity that is trying to manipulate the system and the rules for his own gain.. He's much like the kid who always crowded in lunch line in school.. He feels rules are for others to follow and for him to take advantage of.
Heck I've seen guys who frequent this sight do it then brag about it, to the very  guys he cheated out of their chance because they were going by the rules
You think bows are tough, go for old broadheads once