Can Anyone ID These Broadheads?

[Earl E. Nov...mber]

WOW,, Never seen so many barbed Zwickeys in one place at one time.. They are very rare and highly collectible. Sell a few of those you could probably do Wyoming antelope hunt on the proceeds..

[Wade Phillips]

Bill - The head at the far left of your photograph is a Ben Pearson 6x6 Sloped Shoulder, 1942, page B-13-3, ABCC #0172.000 Most common of the Pearson heads with his original long tapered ferrule.

Glad to see that you found some Barbed Zwickeys in your search through those old boxes. Yours are in very nice condition. It has been sharpened with just a little of the length being removed at the tip and a little of the steel along the cutting edges. The positive ID for it is...

Zwickey Barbed #1, 11/32, in "Broadheads 1871-1971 Identification and Rarity Guide, Second Edition", it is shown on page Z-5-4, it is ABCC #1394.000 This is the second head from the left in your photograph...

Third from left... Zwickey 4-Blade 5/16, Sloped Shoulder, page Z-7-2 ABCC #1398.000

Far right.. Zwickey 2-Blade 11/32, Sloped Shoulder, page Z-6-5 ABCC #1395.000 (# shown for Z-6-3)


         

The last find of these Barbed Zwickeys 11/32" that I know of, was from California when four were found. I'd have to check the dates but it was within the past few years or so. Three of those four were sold at auction on the Internet, and the fourth one was sold privately. The three that sold at auction sold for between $1,500 and $1,800. I'd have to do some checking to give you an accurate comparison of condition. I was not involved with the sale of those Barbed Zwickeys, as two other parties asked me not to bid.

Hard to say for sure what one would sell for today in the condition of the one in your photograph, but it would likely still be a very nice sum.

Bill - Guess what I neglected to state earlier that should have been stated here is that the Barbed Zwickey is one of the "Top Ten All Time Classic Broadheads".

Most collectors consider the Barbed Zwickey to be one of the most desirable broadheads to own.

[TimberlineX]

Wade,

Thanks for the input.

Guess I better get back into broadheads! I was an ABCC member and fairly active back when the organization first started and I was still living in Wisconsin. But I must admit that I've been distracted by bows, business and family and haven't paid much attention to broadheads in the last 15 to 20 years.

How can I get a copy of the last, greatest broadhead ID guide(s)? I've already emailed Greg at ABCC to rejoin.

Here's the lastest photo:

 

[Earl E. Nov...mber]

Wade, How does sharpening a die change the configuration of the part? Any die sharpening I have been involved in has been done so not to alter the die to punch clearance.

[Wade Phillips]

Ken – Thank you so much for your observation. You are correct, in my hast to write my thoughts, it was glossed over, the first part of the paragraph about the changes in the ferrule dies, did not state any of the alterations that a die might undergo to change the finished blade shape...  Hopefully this text is more complete and more accurate… please feel free to critique it and offer any suggestions for improvements…

Remember as dies were used, edges wore, were chipped or broken, they were sharpened, repaired and/or altered, which resulted in some of the many different Zwickey ferrule variations that collectors recognize. The very same is true for the blade die, edges wore, were chipped or broken.

I believe that it is important to remember that both Cliff and Jack Zwickey were gifted toolmakers. As they sharpened and repaired dies, and their ideas evolved, and as they saw more efficient ways to make things, they had the ingenuity and talent to re-work the dies to get as much life as possible out of them.

It is possible that the unsharpened blade shape changed too.

That nose may or may not have always been rounded like this one.

[Wade Phillips]

Originally posted by JavelinaHink:
Wade
The center head pictured,4-Bld you have. Is there a mark under the vent cutout were maybe the die had a broken pin for the hole, looks like a half circle.   Hink

Hink - While it may appear there is a mark, there is really only rust and partial paint in that area. There is no mark at all. For some reason, could not get a good clear photograph while taking that shot. Tried to get a better one several times, but no luck.

[JavelinaHink]

Thanks Wade, Thats what I figured  but you never know till you ask.

How about the arrow cresting on the arrow I posted do you have any Bear arrows like that, Bear?...Hink...    

Barbed Zwickey One sold privately at begining of this year also out of the state, NJ for around 1200.But don't know if I have a picture of it saved to see condition, here it is. The guy also bought a Pinned Bear & SR-100-225gr. head with it, so got a better price.
 
....Hink..  

[Wade Phillips]

Hink – The feather cut, and cresting pattern of the arrow you posted, look similar to some 1940s Bear Arrows that I have. Sorry to say, I do not have the 1940s Bear Arrows together, so locating all of them to get a photograph might take quite a bit of time.

If I have time today, will look around for the arrows and will check the images from 10 Bear Catalogs that precede Bear's 1947 Catalog #20.

[JavelinaHink]

Thanks Wade for your time in this....for some reason in my memory bank they seem to be Bear arrows..will post a better picture in the upper posting...Hink...    

[JavelinaHink]

Posted pic of the BZ from Jersey....Hink

[Wade Phillips]

Hink - Could not find your arrows in the 1930s and 1940s Bear Catalogs. Found most of my Bear arrows from that era and none were the same.

TimberlineX - Also forgot to mention that on page 21 in the Second Edition of "1871-1971", that the 11/32 Barbed Zwickey is rated as A-, which has the dollar equivalent of $1,500. (A = 2,000, and a "-" means less one fourth the value). Although that is a 2004 publication, the value that all the Barbed Zwickeys that have sold that I know of, have been within about 20 percent of the published value.

However that is not true of all 250 published values. One head (not a Zwickey) sold earlier this year for five (yes 5) times the 2004 published value.

As I have said many times, all collectors are crazy...

[TRAP]

TTT for an interesting thread.

[crazynate]

Very interesting. I don't really collect broadheads other than Razorheads but I do come across lots of old ones now and then. It's good information

[bowhunterfrompast]

Great thread