different '66 "Super" Kodiak

[DYEBOW]

all these trades....what do I do?

[Abear]

EVER Want a Bear T/D??????? for a trade

[d. ward]

I sold my micarta riser 1966 to John in 2005 when I went to Que'bec bear hunting....was really sad to see it go bd

[PAPALAPIN]

TOM

Tough position to be in.

I can make it real easy for ya.

[PAPALAPIN]

Ummmmmmm...      

[Blackhawk]

Bowdoc, do you have pics of yours on your puter somewhere?  or do you have records of serial #?

[Wade Phillips]

Originally posted by Blackhawk:

I wonder what Wade would bid for that one. [/QUOTE

Lon - I see on August 19, you were wondering what I would bid for that bow...

I'm certain my bid for any 1966/67 phenolic riser Kodiak would be less than the 56" 1959 Maple Sight Window that I bid on January this year. You may remember that bow, "The Little Rascal", the only one of its kind known.

Although I am a serious Kodiak collector, I have never been hopelessly in love with the 1963 and later Kodiaks, like I am with the earlier Kodiaks. My real interest in Kodiaks ends in 1962. I have really collected the 1963 and later Kodiaks for the sake of the Kodiak Collection and out of consideration for the still unfinished book I hope to complete before I check out, "Fred Bear's Most Collectible Bows".

My advice about removing camo from rare collectible Bear bows is...

1. Think about what you are doing for several weeks before acting.
2. Know exactly what the bow is that you have.
3. Know exactly what the camo pattern is that you have on the bow.
4. Know exactly what the top collectors of that particular model bow think about the value of all original finish vs. partially removed or completely removed finish for that bow.

Years ago, I made a big mistake by removing the camo on a rare Bear bow, and since have never found nor heard of another one like it.

I'm certain most guys would make the same mistake that I did. Some may have already made that same mistake and don't even realize it.

Live and learn...

[PAPALAPIN]

Wade

What is you opinion of this bow from what you have seen"

Does it appear to be the "real deal"?

Should it be verified or authenticated?  If so, who is best to do it.

[d. ward]

Jack I'd kind of be willing to bet money she's the real deal.
Lon I've been looking for those pics for like 3 days and I'll be darned if I can find them.Mine was a 1966 Kodiak with tigerwood riser and black micarta caps bd

[Wade Phillips]

Jack -

I don't have an opinion about the bow, as I have not yet seen good enough photographs to be able to know for sure what the bow really is. At this point, for me, any statement would be a speculative guess, not an opinion. I usually don't like to make guesses.

I don't know if it is the "real deal" or not. In the past, when apparently uncommon items have surfaced and just a little information is presented about them, I've been both pleasantly surprised and gravely disappointed, especially if I rolled the dice on an on-line auction... As a certified appraiser, over the years, I have had many clients who have been disappointed to learn that an item they paid a lot of money for is not authentic and that its actual value is only a fraction of what they paid for it.  

Usually, good quality close up photographs will tell the story of the item. And if the photographs are posted on a public forum such as this one, many collectors of that particular type of item usually give their input, the relative information eventually comes out, and an accurate answer to the question about the authenticity of the item becomes obvious to nearly everyone.

If anyone has any additional photographs, it would be great to post them.

Doc - I remember seeing photograph(s) of your 1966, but I don't know where for sure... I'll see if I can find them...

[Wade Phillips]

Originally posted by the real bowdoc:
...
Lon I've been looking for those pics for like 3 days and I'll be darned if I can find them....

Mine was a 1966 Kodiak with tigerwood riser and black micarta caps bd

Doc -

Got lucky and found them just a few minutes ago.... I believe this your old tigerwood riser and black micarta cap 1966 Kodiak, the one you are looking for pictures to post ... the one in the foreground.

Images were last posted by Jeff - "Horney Toad" ... on January 29, 2009 07:40 PM

I just now saved them in photobucket so I could show them here...

   

 

[Blackhawk]

Wade, my reasoning for wondering out loud about this bow was just to satisfy by curiosity about value.  We know values are merely determined by what someone is willing to give for an item, and I consider your appraisals close to real worth.

I sure appreciate your insight into this subject and thanks for posting those pics of Doc's old '66.

In addition, many of us Bear lovers/collectors are anxious about your upcoming book.  I'm sure it will become a "must have" classic.

[PAPALAPIN]

Wade, that is not the bow in question.

Tom got this bow with ab original Bear Factory Camo o it.  He began to remove the paint and discovered an all phenolic riser, with brown glass under the paint.  No caps, no accent stripes.

I have additional pics that he sent but I cannot post them.  

If someone will email me at emilletbellsouth.net I will reply with the pics so they can post them.

Jack

[Wade Phillips]

Jack -

The two photographs are Doc's old 1966 Kodiak that he was trying to find photographs of to post.

Most of the fun of collecting anymore is simply seeing the many non standard bows that just seem to keep surfacing. A lot of them have never been seen before by today's active collectors. So the information becomes educational for everyone.

Lon -

Appraised values of bows are exactly like appraised values of any other type of items, houses, cars, etc, they are based on recent sales of similar items to a given market.

For the really rare items it can be impossible to find "identical" items that have recently sold but it is almost always possible to find "similar" items that have sold recently.

I appreciate your more than kind comments about the upcoming book, but feel that any expectations about it becoming, as you stay ...a "must have" classic... are more than prematurely speculative. Some readers may have a much different interests in Bear Bows than mine.

[NumPls]

Here are some photos of the '66 Kodiak (serial number 6L2236) that Jack asked me to post.

 

 

 

 

 

[NumPls]

Here are a couple more photos of this bow.

 

 


Oh! And, I think that this is the "before" photo (probably should have put it at the top, not the bottom!).

 


Wade, I hope that these photos provide you with enough information. I can post more if/when I receive them.

Ray

[PAPALAPIN]

Thanks for posting these for me, Ray.

One of these days I'll get a grip on PhotoBucket.

[DYEBOW]

Hi Guys,
this was a great learning experience for me and I want to thank yall. I had no idea what I had.This was going to be my beatter bow. The one didnt worry about in the field. I'm glad I at least peeked at the what was underneath the paint. It was like a little kid finding treasure. I ended up trading with a very nice fella Jack Millet. I really think the bow needs to be with a Collector like Jack and not with a shooter like me. I belive it has a good home and will be perserved for years to come. Thanks again guys,  Tom

[PAPALAPIN]

Folks, this is the man of the hour.  I get a lot of congrats for acquiring the bow, but this is the man that discoverd it. Our "Christopher Columbus" so to speak.

If I have to give the bow a name, I officially christin it the "TROY KODIAK", in honor of its discoveror, Tom Troy.

The TROY KODIAK...has a nice sound to it.

[Brock]

awesome find....