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help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« on: November 03, 2011, 02:13:00 PM »
I have one of those old Bear back quivers.
It has the running Bear logo.
Does anyone know how to date it?

Hard for me to tell because it appears in lots of catalogs with same basic photo.
Thanks in advance........Philip

   
 
 
 
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Offline Ron Roehrick

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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 08:43:00 PM »
Phillip, your quiver is called the Big Bear model it was made from 1960 thru 1969. Ron.

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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 07:30:00 AM »
The 1960 model has knife and file pockets.

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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 01:48:00 PM »
Thanks for the info.
Is this a commonly found quiver? I am trying to gather the most information I can about it.
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2011, 05:01:00 PM »
Philip -

The Big Bear was a very popular back quiver in the 1960s with the hunters and field archers who wanted to take a lot of arrows. Several of these nice size quivers turn up in the course of a single year. Fortunately, they can still be found in excellent condition.

The are 3 variations of the Big Bear shown below... from left to right...

1) Black w/ Tan Conchos, Side/Top Zipper
2) Black w/ Tan Pocket Sides & Tan Conchos, Side/Top Zipper
3) Black w/ Knife Sheath, Tan Edge Trim  & Tan Chochos, Front Zipper

Yours of course is the middle variation.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn of other variations of this fine and very functional quiver...

       
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2011, 09:18:00 PM »
Thank you Wade.
You pretty much covered it all for me.
Great photo showing the variations of this quiver.
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 06:50:00 AM »
Forgot to mention that the front zipper version was advertised only in 1960. Your quiver is like the center one that was pictured in the 1961 to 1969 catalogs.
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 09:21:00 AM »
Thanks again Wade.

It is a great quiver.
I've been looking it over and boy it was well made. I found it in my basement covered and I mean covered in dust. I honestly forgot that I had it. I must have picked it up at Denton Hill in 1999.
I found an event pin in the quiver pocket.
It cleaned up very nicely and everything is there.
I very much like the model with the front zipper and the knife sheath.

Last question about it Wade, if you know.

The running Bear logo, is this the same logo used on them throughout it's production?
Thanks in advance.......Philip
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 12:22:00 PM »
Philip,

In the photo of the three quivers, the first and third have the running Bear logo. The center one, like yours has the script Bear.

Because yours has the running Bear, we might logically conclude the manufacturing sequence for the four Big Bear quivers shown in this thread to have been...

1) Black w/ Knife Sheath, Tan Edge Trim & Tan Chochos, Front Zipper w/ Running Bear Logo

2) Black w/ Tan Conchos, Side/Top Zipper w/ Running Bear Logo

3) Black w/ Tan Pocket Sides & Tan Conchos, Side/Top Zipper w/ Running Bear Logo

4) Black w/ Tan Pocket Sides & Tan Conchos, Side/Top Zipper w/ Script Bear Logo

We could probably narrow the year down a bit when the change from the running bear to the script occurred. I haven't taken the time to do that as yet.
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 12:27:00 PM »
I don't mean to complicate matters Wade.
I was just wondering if logo was a definitive year of make distinction.

You have been most helpful with the quiver info as well as every other topic I read of yours.

Thanks much.....Philip
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 07:13:00 PM »
Philip,

I don't believe in using superficial things like decals, writing of serial numbers, coins, rests, overlays, etc for identifying the year of a bow. Even the color of the glass is not a positive yer ID 100 percent of the time. The only true way to identify the year of a bow is by the form it was built on. That is the real DNA that can not be changed.

For quivers, the stamping would not be the true positive ID of the year, but in most cases it would give you a year range. Some leather could have been stamped, then used years later after the stamp was not longer in use.

In many cases, it is likely that the logo had to be stamped into the leather well before the product was completely finished.  Our example at hand would be the front of the pockets of the Big Bear Quiver.

It is likely that the leather used on the front of the pocket was stamped before the pocket was sewn up. Lots of leather for the front pockets could have been stamped, then most could have been sewn up right away, then much later the remaining stock could have been sewn up on a slightly different model or perhaps even reworked and the leather used for something entirely different. So it is entirely possible that an earlier logo can appear on a later quiver.

Fred was an exceptional businessman, as were the men who were his partners. Very seldom did they permit the wasting of anything. However, that trait, certainly doesn't apply to the Signature Bows. And like nearly every rule about Bear Archery Tackle, there is almost always at least one exception to any rule.

The logo would be an indication of the year, but not the definitive rule. Each item must be carefully examined for its unique traits to be be able to logically determine its year of manufacture.

We as Bear collectors are always looking for simple answers to identify the year of manufacture and fail to realize that in the era these items were produced, they were made to sell to make money for Bear Archery, and not for the purpose to help collectors to be able to easily categorize 50 years after they were made.
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2011, 07:58:00 PM »
Well said and completely logical.

Thanks again Wade for an AMAZING answer.
I would'nt expect anything less from you.
........Philip
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Re: help dating a vintage-bear back quiver
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 09:42:00 AM »
holy chit Wade I love you man your answers are always way to long to read for a retard like myself that was skipping school ever since the 3rd grade.......but holy begeezus I love to read them always don't ever stop responding.I was gonna say something cheeeep about the quivers like bear archery made money because they wasted nothing.But no one would have believed that crap.........your answer was a way a better answer and splained it real purty too beautifuly.To long to read ??? oh my god yes but a way better answer and worth the read and yes yes I do believe its also the correct answer.Once again I am going to say what the hey you got my vote for who's the man this week buddy bd

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