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Offline BOFF

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Re: A view point question on ?
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2008, 07:28:00 AM »
Bernard,

No thanks needed, as I believe any of us here, are, and will be happy, to lend an ear or spend any time needed for whoever is in trouble.

May God guide you in your travels, and your words to be spoken to this person in need. May he or she be filled with the peace of God, which may be simply found, by asking and seeking. In Jesus name I ask and pray these things, Amen.

Offline Doc Nock

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Re: A view point question on ?
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2008, 10:22:00 AM »
Amen. We're all here in this soup together called "life" and were it not for all the prayers, I sometimes don't know how'd I'd have coped the past 3-4 years of ups and downs.

But together, joined in Christ, we're stronger n' steel!
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Offline Jim Stewart

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Re: A view point question on ?
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2008, 11:23:00 AM »
I can't craft as eloquent a response to your questions as those already stated, but I am compelled to share a couple of thoughts...

First, I believe that suicide is a "shame" (a great disappointment), but is it "shameful" (bringing or deserving shame)?  No, not to me - nor do I feel I have a right to judge...  BOFF said it well:

 "Many times, people considering suicide, are depressed, and depression does not allow a person to make logical choices, or see the true reality of how others love them, and are dependant upon them and their life. The only choices that seem logical at the time, are quick fixes, and the worst possible choices available."

Your last post seems to indicate a sharing or concern with a friend or aquaintance.  'Tho I'm not comfortable quoting scripture or giving advice, I surely can & will pray for you and this man.  May God grant you safety in your travels, and all that you need to share with this person.  Y'know, sometimes...just being there...is enough...
Jim

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Offline Eastern fisher

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Re: A view point question on ?
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 09:23:00 PM »
The fact that people agree or disagree that it was right or wrong to take his life, or that he took his own live before his "job was done" is irrelavent.  We should still pray for the gentleman who did take his life and for his family.  yes he did put them in a painful way but he was still thier baby and he still deserves our prayers and the family still deserves our prayers..  Yes there is help out there for depression, but being one who suffers with it, the help does not help everyone.  Everyone of us is different. what may help you may not help me.  None of of know what he was feeling after the stiuation he was put in,  I do not think we should be judging him. God bless him and his family and may god put him at rest and give his family all the help and support they deserve.
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Offline Mrs Stickman

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Re: A view point question on ?
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 07:56:00 PM »
I worked in the mental health world for about 3 years.  In that time I learned something that was invaluable to me.  I had always thought that a person who took their own life was selfish and tragic.  I always asked why someone would do that to their families and friends.  How they could not know they were loved?

One very wise doctor talked to me when I lost my first patient to suicide.   He said, you have to understand, as one that was left behind when this person took their life,  They were not able, due to their own illness to think outside of themselves, their own pain, hoplessness and desparation.  The cannot picture their families in mourning.  They cannot imagine that life without them is somehow less than life with them.  They cannot look outside themselves and see the positive impact of continuing to live.

It is an illness.  Not the fault of anyone for not seeing, for not hearing, for not calling or stopping by more often.   It is not because they were unloved, but felt unlovable.

 As a Christian I hate suicide.  I hate the finality of an eternity without Christ.  As much as I would like to believe that God would judge those less harshly that simply "couldn't take anymore", my faith tells me that he planned my life, he knew me before conception, my life is precious to him, he wants me with him eternally.
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Christ takes up our burdens, lights our way in the darkness, heals our infirmities, and fills all the empty holes we allow him in.  But he is also a gentleman and will not go where he is not invited and welcomed.   When he is with us nothing can come against us.  When he is not, we can not.
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Offline Inhimwelive

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Re: A view point question on ?
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2008, 09:11:00 AM »
I'm sorry but not everyone who commits suicide is beyond the point of reasonable thought.. Many people who commit suicide would not be classified as mentally ill or even clinically depressed(before their death). Some people just make very rash decisions.. Of my two friends I mentioned neither suffered from mental illness. The one lost his job and immediately gave up the other had just lost a relationship. I do not mean to make light of anyones pain..But to imply that all people who commit suicide are suffering from mental illness is not the case.. If so are all people who commit murder really mentally ill?
In Him we live and move and have our being , make a joyful noise, sing unto the Lord, tell him of your love, dance before him...

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