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Offline Rich Baker

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Do you have to have a guide
« on: October 03, 2005, 06:48:00 AM »
Or can you do a trip yourself?? I'll never be able to afford ten grand but how much for a doit yourself trip???

Offline Falk

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2005, 11:33:00 AM »
For SA you need - by law - at least one PH for up to three bowhunters and 1:1 for gunhunters. This 1:3 bowhunt ration doesn't make sense IMO but that's what I was told last year. In actual practice it is 1:1 - all the time. Non residents are not allowed to hunt on their own.

Offline Rick McGowan

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2005, 01:40:00 PM »
I've heard the law requires a PH to be with each nr hunter in SA all the time, but I do know a lot of outfitters ignore that and just give the hunters a radio, just to save a few bucks. It would be very difficult to do it on your own anyway.

Offline Ray Hammond

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2005, 07:08:00 PM »
I have a book I purchased from Safari Press, called "SOLO SAFARI"...I do not think it was written about South Africa....and its been some years since I read it.

I will check for you, Rich..and see if there is any indication about WHERE if anywhere, one could hunt on their own. Of course, this guy was a gun hunter...so that may be useless information unless the country allows both..which many do not.

Will advise. If its a good read and has any value I would be happy to send to you as a jumping off point...maybe you could write the author?
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Offline Rick McGowan

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2005, 09:23:00 AM »
There are or at least USED to be countries in Africa where you weren't required by law to have an outfitter. That don't mean it would be a good idea.

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2005, 01:09:00 PM »
I agree.
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Offline herb haines

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2005, 10:30:00 AM »
by your self would be just to dangerous IE: animals and people in most AFRICAN  countries ( just my opinion) . you might if you know someone who has family who own property in africa work something out as to hunting but you also need facilities for the meat and capeing .
you get back in the bush with no PH or on property where no one patrols and you could end up fair game .lots of places in Africa white skin isn't really welcome ----- herb
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Offline Feral Donkey

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2005, 08:10:00 PM »
Listen to me.  I got back from my 2nd Africa trip in October where I spent a month in Zambia and Zimbabwe.  I've had very close interaction with the wildlife there.  VERY close.  Close enough most people would need new shorts.  If you dig deep enough you can find some fly by night operation that'll take your money and send you out on your own.  They don't care.  They just made enough money off you for them to live for a year.  I ran into one guy trying to get consession rights on a GMA in western Zambia that would sell you his dead grandmother so to speak.  Real slippery bastrrd.  I know this because I sell African travel.  I go scout out safari camps before ever sending a client there.  You need to understand that when you go there you're not in America anymore.  You're a guest in someone else's land and you will conduct yourself as such.  Going out on a bargain basement hunt with no PH is extremely stupid.  Just as going on photographic safari in a national park without a lisenced safari guide is stupid.  People do it.  Most of them come back.  Some get eaten and some get turned into strawbery jam.  Being in Africa is like being on a forign planet.  You don't know what you're walking on or walking with.  Just the fact that you're in the southern hemisphere messes with your sense of direction.

The next point I'm getting at;  
The countries of southern Africa are poor.  Real poor.  Tourism bring in much needed funds and gives the native people a source of income other than poaching and destroying the native habitats of the animals that we love to see and hunt.  Without tourism money most of the native people have to live on what they can meaning that they put up snares, cut down forests, over fish waterways, etc...  Destroyed habitat= no animals= no tourism money= starving people.  It's a really big problem that threatens the economic sustainability of those countries.  Spending money on your trip is the best thing you can do to promote conservation in southern Africa.  Don't be cheap.  If you want not to spend much money, go to SA and kill a game farm animal.  That's what most people do and don't even realize it.  I know.  I've seen behind the curtain, so to speak.

A lot of African countries don't have enough system to have a efective DNR equivalent.  You put money on the table and get what you want.  It's sad but it's reality.  SA is pretty good but there's a lot of Mickey Mouse crap there to buy.  Most of it has been hunted out and restocked with game farm animals.  Make sure you know the product you're buying.  Also before your hunt, take your first 3 days on the continent and go on guided walks.  It's a much more pleasent experience to have someone explain to you the flora and fauna.  Then you'll have a new apreciation and understanding for what you're hunting and have a much richer experience as a result.

Offline Falk

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2005, 07:19:00 PM »
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posted by Feral Donkey: It's a much more pleasent experience to have someone explain to you the flora and fauna.
You are right Sir! I've just been down there again for about three weeks. I love to learn from "my" PH EVERYTHING I can - fauna, flora , tracks etc. - and I am lucky because he knows them all!
I asked him because of the subject of this thread and what I had posted before (see above). He sayed two rifle or four bowhunters per PH is the legal maximum for SA. I would NOt recommend it at all but thats what the laws are about.
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Offline Feral Donkey

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
It gets addicting, doesn't it?  One of my clients I escorted over there in September wants me to go back with her in 2007.  That's all the excuse I need.

You take any photos?  I've got a bunch if you guys want to see them.

Offline Falk

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2005, 06:32:00 PM »
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by Feral Donkey: You take any photos?
Sure, I did! But I think here is no place to show them all. Maybe I am allowed to post this one as it was a quite unique thing to happen. One afternoon I came home and what I found in my room was this sight:
 
This very young little squirrel (Paraxerus cepapi) was sleeping on my arrows! These were sharpened BH's and practise arrows (light colored) which I had placed over the night desk (?) so that BH's and feathers would protrude on either side without touching anything. The little fellow must have fallen down from the roof when his mother switched place through there and lost him or the black maid was playing some woodoo on me ...!?!
I searched his mother outside and placed him in a tree just beside my chalais. At least one adult was watching me. Next morning he was gone. I hope he made it ...

Offline Feral Donkey

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
Hey Falk, let's start a new thread.

Offline Feral Donkey

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2005, 09:57:00 PM »
That's a great photo, man.

How do you post pictures here.  I tried with the "image" button and cutting and pasting the address.  Then I went to submit topic it wouldn't let me because it no longer alows html codes in parenthases or something.

Offline Falk

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2005, 07:15:00 AM »
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by Feral Donkey: How do you post pictures here.
You can get some advise here:
  pic posting tutorial  

As for a new thread dedicated to pictures - well - go ahaed! My suggestion would be to show pictures besides the "trophy photo stuff". All the little (or big) things to wonder right or left the way one has walked - in those I would be most interested. But that's just me of course ...
When I walked and stalked I had my camera in my backback. But there was most often no time to grab it when a "special sight was on" or I wouldn't have done so because of the movements and sounds involved. So the best pictures of all are (only) carved into my brain. But you all will know this experience ...

Falk

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2006, 11:18:00 PM »
I def wouldnt wanna be in the busy without a PH with  a serious caliber rifle with him. Thats for sure. One mistake over there and you get eaten.
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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2006, 10:03:00 AM »
if this clip is to grusome -the modarators are free to pull it - be forwarned guys -- this is the real thing-- dont let your kids watch--

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2006, 10:07:00 AM »
guys -it takes a couple min for the first part to load -- be patient --
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Offline Falk

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2006, 10:39:00 AM »
Holly S H I T - Man!

This is NOT funny at all!

Offline dead horse

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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2006, 08:45:00 PM »
the idiot tried to walk up to a lioness on a kill- he never saw the male come up behind him -- whats worst -his wife and kid was watching from the car-- --
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Re: Do you have to have a guide
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2006, 08:47:00 PM »
some times its best to remember -we are not always at the head of the food chain
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