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Offline PEARL DRUMS

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2012, 07:15:00 AM »
Mojo I think you and I have hard time "getting it" becuase we have been free to hunt as we please for so long. It just doesnt make sense to us to ban Sunday. As said several times already, hunting after Sunday church is normal. Hikers? Farmers? I see farmers threatening to "close" their land if Sunday opens. That tells me the drastic diff between Mi and PA. Our landowners generally allow family and very close friends to hunt, thats about it. Them posting their land is something I haven never NOT seen. That seems an idle threat to me. For the record Michigan and PA are neck and neck in hunters and deer numbers. Michigan grows larger deer and maybe a few more older deer. Mostly because of the terrain and massive farming operations feeding them across the state. 7 day a week hunting doesnt hurt the animals. Once the "squeeze" is turned on, one day a week off doesnt even register with them, Im afraid they arent that smart.

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2012, 07:46:00 AM »
I get it. A decade ago, I, like many others, fought hard to get rid of the Sunday bans here in in Michigan.
I owned a sporting goods store back then and helped with petitions and lining up legislators on our side.

Every talking point being used for those in favor of hunting bans was used in Michigan back in 2003 and every one of them was proven wrong, once we got rid of the hunting bans.

Nobody "new" suddenly posted their land, who didn't already post their land. The game had no more or less pressure than it had before, when 700,000 hunters pounded the woods on firearms deer opener or when Michigan deer hunters spent $50,000,000 a year on deer bait.

Oddly enough, some hunters also fought against legalizing elevated platforms in Michigan for firearms seasons. Just like how they were wrong about if we lifted the Sunday bans that the sky would fall, they were wrong about allowing elevated stands, like nearly every other state in the nation.

Those in PA should do a search of how Michigan got rid of the bans in 2003. It's one thing Michigan finally got right.

Here's some good info...
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The Truth About Sunday Hunting: Why Hunters Shouldn`t Be Treated as Second-Class Citizens

In the early days of America, so-called blue laws restricted many activities on Sunday. In recent years, however, state governments have recognized that the people`s right to choose for themselves what they do, or don`t do, on Sunday is more consistent with America`s founding principals. Present day bans on Sunday hunting are the last holdouts of these blue laws, and hunters are questioning why they are being treated differently from their fellow citizens.

The majority of hunters will agree that the biggest obstacle to hunting, and the biggest obstacle to recruiting new hunters, is lack of access and opportunity to hunt. By restricting Sunday hunting, states are not only limiting opportunities for today`s hunters but are making it harder to recruit new hunters to carry on our proud heritage. Anti-hunting groups understand this, that`s why they oppose lifting Sunday hunting bans--they don`t want a new generation of hunters to enter the field. This opposition to Sunday hunting is in fact opposition to the future of hunting itself.
Restrictions on Sunday hunting treat hunters as second-class citizens. Other outdoor activities are allowed on Sunday, including fishing, hiking and golf. By restricting hunting and not other activities, state governments are sending a not so subtle message to hunters and non-hunters alike that there is something wrong with hunting, that it isn`t as legitimate an activity. This message ignores the fact that hunters contribute billions of dollars to the benefit of wildlife, both through license fees and excise taxes paid on firearms and ammunition.
There are compelling reasons why Sunday hunting should be allowed:
•Sunday hunting has no detrimental effect on wildlife populations. The 43 states that allow some form of Sunday hunting have healthy wildlife populations in those areas that can sustain them. In fact the states with the most abundant game populations allow Sunday hunting. Those states that have recently removed prohibitions on Sunday hunting have not seen a negative impact on game populations. Allowing Sunday hunting will give state wildlife agencies more flexibility in managing populations. The extra day a week for hunting will give the agencies the ability to increase hunting in areas of overpopulation by encouraging hunters to go afield.
•The most common reason that hunters stop hunting is lack of hunting opportunity. Hunting opportunities are largely decided by two factors: accessible land and available time. Since most hunters work Monday through Friday, a ban on Sunday hunting cuts their available hunting time in half.
•Sunday hunting is an excellent way to recruit new hunters. Many young people have school or athletic obligations on Saturday. Allowing Sunday hunting means that parents can spend time hunting with their son or daughter, passing on a heritage that is so important to America. With the myriad of activities that compete for the attention of young people today, a restriction on Sunday hunting means many of them never take up the sport.
•Sunday hunting will bring an economic benefit to many rural areas. Every day that hunters are in the field, they spend money on gas, food, lodging and the dozens of other incidentals that go along with a day`s hunt. The ripple effect of this spending can have a major impact on a rural town or county.
•Out-of-state license revenue can grow as a result of Sunday hunting. Few hunters will take extended hunting trips to a state that won`t let them hunt one day of the week. These out-of-state hunters pay higher license fees that benefit the game department and also spend even more money on incidentals than in-state hunters.
Current Sunday hunting bans:
Currently seven states entirely prohibit hunting on Sunday for wild game; they are Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Virginia, New Jersey and Connecticut. All of these states have considered legislation to lift the bans in recent years. Repealing the Sunday hunting bans has been actively supported by the wildlife agencies in Maine and New Jersey.
Four states allow limited Sunday hunting: Maryland allows hunting on two Sundays during deer season; South Carolina allows Sunday hunting on private land only; North Carolina allows Sunday hunting on some federal installations; in 2001 West Virginia enacted legislation that allows Sunday hunting on private land, but each county can hold a referendum to ban Sunday hunting; currently 14 counties allow it.
Recently several states have recognized the folly of Sunday hunting bans:
New York: In 1996 New York opened Sunday hunting on three Sundays during deer season. Within five years the law was changed to allow all Sunday hunting, except on specifically designated lands.
Ohio: In 1998 Ohio passed a bill allowing a test of Sunday hunting on public lands for a period of three years. In 2002 the legislature made Sunday hunting permanent without opposition from groups that had concerns when the test began. The state wildlife agency supported the change.
Michigan: Sunday hunting was banned on private land in certain counties, but in 2003, all Sunday hunting closures were repealed. The bill was supported by the state wildlife agency.
None of these states have experienced the horror stories forecast by opponents of hunting. The states continue to have healthy wildlife populations. Hunters continue to behave in a responsible and safe manner. Church attendance remains unchanged. Landowner-hunter conflicts have not increased. In sum, Sunday hunting has had nothing but a beneficial impact on these states and the future of hunting in them.

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2012, 12:23:00 PM »
Im 40 and dont remember ever having a ban on Sunday hunting?

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2012, 12:37:00 PM »
Some of the counties in the SLP had Sunday bans until 2003.

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2012, 02:55:00 PM »
The comment on what's best for the deer herd with regard to giving them a break is really off dude.  

This is not a personal attack on you PA, but that makes no sense. Most of the heard is left alone Monday - Friday bc people have to work... at most they work half a day and hunt an afternoon or something like one or two days a week.  If the animals get a reprieve 4-5 days per week from the majority of the hunters, how is hunting Sunday hurting them?  

Logic and common sense is on my side here, sorry.

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2012, 03:25:00 PM »
Dave, good point. Hadn't thought of it that way. Other good points have been made by others too. I've been debating my opinion on this.
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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2012, 11:24:00 PM »
Born and raised in PA.  8 years ago I moved west to Montana.  I hunted on Sunday.  It was good.  My fellow PA'ers, one day you feel the joy and satisfaction of hunting the whole weekend.  Cheers.

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2013, 09:57:00 AM »
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Pa Stickbow boy if your so worried about the welfare of the deer and the stress that they're put under you'd think that the one your stratling would still be walking and playing in the clover fields with Thumper and Flower! You chase these deer with a razor sharp stick all week and you're worried about Sunday. I know the deer in my part of the state have picnics away from the everyday worries of survival on my day off. Because all the other dangers leave them alone on the sabith! The deer we hunt in Ohio almost give themselves up to us on Sundays because they can't take the stress. That's just my unsensitive 2 cents!
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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2013, 09:12:00 PM »
I have never heard a legitimate reason for banning sunday hunting. Ever…..

In PA, where I have lived for 52 years, there are literally millions of acres of land that has been purchased with hunter dollars…….why are they closed to sunday hunting?

Privately owned property……..why on earth can someone tell me that I cannot hunt on my own land on sunday? And for non-hunting, or anti hunting landowners it is easy to post your land, even if the signs read hunting permitted EXCEPT for Sundays.

PA gives entirely too much credence to the wishes of the farmers. The farmers need to concern themselves with land they own, period. While we are on the subject of farmers, how many farms in PA are posted no hunting, yet they get crop damage permits? I have had such farmers tell me that they gut shoot deer so that they run out of the fields before dropping.

As for giving bird watchers, hikers, etc. more time……they already have more time afield than hunters do.

Laws against sunday hunting are absurd, and based solely upon emotion filled rhetoric.
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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2013, 07:18:00 AM »
I just moved to NC from NY and shockingly learned about the no Sunday hunting thing.  Seems and still is quite foolish.  NC's recent change was that you can actually bowhunt on Sundays on private land, so there is some limited Sunday hunting now.  State/game lands - forget it.  I am told that I am in the Bible belt now and Sundays is for church.  When I ask why I can still golf, shop, go to the mall and (not that I do but I bet many do), buy a case a beer and watch every NASCAR race, why can't I hunt?  No response.... Hopefully it will cahnge, from what I understand, that was quite a battle to win.  Hopefully PA can too.
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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2013, 04:26:00 PM »
We will see what happens.
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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2013, 10:37:00 AM »
I have had friends that do not hunt but do enjoy going into the woods on Sunday afternoons and do a little exploring or just enjoy the quiet day with their family. I can understand how they feel when they ask why we as hunters are so selfish as to not give one day to the people who don't hunt and want to enjoy the outdoors also. We have Archery only on Sundays (NC) and I have not herd alot of complaints about this law except from Gun hunters.  I think we can keep the guns out of the wood for one day.  Gene C
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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2013, 04:52:00 PM »
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I have had friends that do not hunt but do enjoy going into the woods on Sunday afternoons and do a little exploring or just enjoy the quiet day with their family. I can understand how they feel when they ask why we as hunters are so selfish as to not give one day to the people who don't hunt and want to enjoy the outdoors also. We have Archery only on Sundays (NC) and I have not herd alot of complaints about this law except from Gun hunters.  I think we can keep the guns out of the wood for one day.  Gene C
Hunting season is not 365 days a year. People enjoying other outdoor activities have more than ample time to pursue their pleasures.

Also, in some states, like PA, there are huge tracts of timber purchased with hunting license dollars.

And what about private property? Denying sunday hunting on privately owned land, or land purchased solely by hunters dollars borders on criminal.
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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2013, 09:51:00 PM »
I bet the anti's love any and all hunting bans, especially when some hunters take the bait.

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2013, 10:53:00 AM »
As a Pa land owner, I've never understood the ban, seems crazy in this day and age. Giving the deer a 'day off'....seriously, that's an argument? That's actually funny.....

It's the old Blue Laws and they haven't had enough people willing to overturn them. Just like there's still dry townships.

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Re: Pennsylvania Sunday Hunting Is Possible
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2013, 11:43:00 AM »
Admittedly, I don't know all the reasons why Sunday hunting is banned there, but from my perspective, it's clearly a "blue" law, and clearly violates the constitutional separation of church & state.  If the state shifted the ban to say, a Wednesday, then it would be legal, and have the same effect of "giving the animals an off-pressure day".  I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't jumped on this the way they jump on all other things "Christian".
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