INFO: Trad Archery for Bowhunters



Author Topic: Domed Pins  (Read 509 times)

Offline Lin Rhea

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 4541
Domed Pins
« on: November 21, 2011, 08:44:00 AM »
OK, Doug Campbell and I have been emailing a little about domed pins so I thought it might be good to show some pics of how I do it. Maybe after a bit, Doug or Karl can add some to this.

There is really nothing complicated about it. First I will show you a knife that I recently made with domed pins and then show you how I made the pins.
 

I did not want the domes of these pins to directly apply pressure to the ivory. So I made some washers to sit flush and let the pins push down on them to distribute the pressure. So I had to make, not only the washers but the tool to set them into the ivory. I already had some pinstock of a certain size and I hade a disc punching block from a past knife so I needed to make the tool to work with those dimensions. Here is the tool. It's out of mild steel rod 1/4 inch.

 

I messed aorund and filed it left handed, but that is no problem. It works the same in a reversable battery drill. The hole that's drilled first and the guide on the end of the cutter is the same diameter as my pins stock. The guide may be a gnat hair smaller to keep it from getting hot.

 

I only went in enough to insure I had good thickness on my washer after smoothing off the top and evening it out with the surface of the ivory. I did not want to remove any more ivory bark than I had to, since it has the nice colors.  The washers were 1/16 thick, so the inset was slightly less than that. I just eyeballed it.

 

Let's say the washer is in place and the pin is cut and in the hole protruding a little beyond both washers. If the pin is 1/8 inch in diameter, the length should be sticking out about 1/16 on each side. Some materials will let you get away with more, but stainless wont. I used fine Silver here so I went a little more for a bigger dome. Stainless will split at the edges of the dome if you try to move it too much. I dont have good pictures here but I do have a short video of a student doming a pin the way I do it.

  Doming of pin with ball pein hammer  

Light blows are important and polish the ball on the hammer before you hammer it. It will buff out better. Most of the time, I dont want the buffer to get on the handle material so I wrap it in painter's tape and using my fingernail, I cut around the pin and remove the plug exposing the pin head. This will allow you to buff the pin. Be sure and start light and only get more agressive if needed. Also, buff from all directions. The head is round and it will stay round by buffing toward it from all directions. Here is the taped handle.

 

That's about it. Sorry for the blurred pics, but the cell phone has allowed me to access a camera when otherwise I would not.
"We dont rent pigs." Augustus McCrae
ABS Master Bladesmith
TGMM Family of the Bow
Dwyer Dauntless longbow 50 @ 28
Ben Pearson recurve 50 @ 28
Tall Tines Recurve 47@28
McCullough Griffin longbow 43@28

Offline Doug Campbell

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 2608
Re: Domed Pins
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2011, 09:36:00 AM »
Thanks a bunch Lin!! Do you put a little "detent" in the anvil for the lower pin head when peening so it doesn't get flattened?
Life is wonderful in Montana!!
"BEING CHALLENGED IN LIFE IS INEVITABLE. BEING DEFEATED IS OPTIONAL."
ABS Journeyman Knifesmith

Offline Lin Rhea

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 4541
Re: Domed Pins
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011, 09:51:00 AM »
No but some people have a tool that fits in the hardie or in a vise in the way you describe. I may try that eventually.
"We dont rent pigs." Augustus McCrae
ABS Master Bladesmith
TGMM Family of the Bow
Dwyer Dauntless longbow 50 @ 28
Ben Pearson recurve 50 @ 28
Tall Tines Recurve 47@28
McCullough Griffin longbow 43@28

Offline gudspelr

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 990
Re: Domed Pins
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 10:57:00 AM »
Thanks for the good info, Lin.  Since you don't use that bottom tool, how do you keep the bottom side from flattening?  I could imagine putting it over the hardy or pritchel hole, but would those edges turn into problems for that ivory when doming?

Jeremy
"Have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
- William Morris

Craftsmen strive to make their products both.

Offline Lin Rhea

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 4541
Re: Domed Pins
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2011, 11:18:00 AM »
No Jeremy. I would not do that. You have to have a solid mass behind the pin or you's just push it out the other side. And you'd mar the handle.

The horn has less curve than the ball pien so the light blows tend to have an accumulative advantage and you are moving around the edge of the pin for the most part anyway. You could hold it on the flat of the anvil, but I use the horn to lessen the chance of marring the handle material.

 There are lots of ways and lots of tools to achieve things so dont be afraid to try things.
"We dont rent pigs." Augustus McCrae
ABS Master Bladesmith
TGMM Family of the Bow
Dwyer Dauntless longbow 50 @ 28
Ben Pearson recurve 50 @ 28
Tall Tines Recurve 47@28
McCullough Griffin longbow 43@28

Offline kbaknife

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 2669
Re: Domed Pins
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2011, 08:24:00 PM »
Lin, would a counter bore from Jantz work?
  http://www.knifemaking.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=counter+bore  
They have interchangeable pilots for whatever size pin you had.
And you could use a small lathe to drill your washer holes out of any round stock, and then "slice" off your washer at whatever thickness you need.
I think that's a great idea to distribute the stress over a wider area.
I do need to practice on my peening.
When the last deer disappears into the morning mist,
When the last elk vanishes from the hills,
When the last buffalo falls on the plains,
I will hunt mice for I am a hunter and I must have my freedom.
Chief Joseph

Offline Lin Rhea

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 4541
Re: Domed Pins
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2011, 08:42:00 PM »
Absolutely Karl. In fact that is the right tools. I am a little "shade tree" and often find out later that I could have bought a tool that I did'nt know about and ended up making it. At the same time, I enjoy making the tools.
"We dont rent pigs." Augustus McCrae
ABS Master Bladesmith
TGMM Family of the Bow
Dwyer Dauntless longbow 50 @ 28
Ben Pearson recurve 50 @ 28
Tall Tines Recurve 47@28
McCullough Griffin longbow 43@28

Offline gudspelr

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 990
Re: Domed Pins
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 10:55:00 AM »
Lin-

Thanks for the explanation and sorry-that may have been one of the dumber questions I've asked to date...  I'll go ahead and blame being up for a lot of hours on that one  :) .


Jeremy
"Have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
- William Morris

Craftsmen strive to make their products both.

Offline Lin Rhea

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 4541
Re: Domed Pins
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 11:28:00 AM »
There are no dumb questions around here Jeremy. I'm glad you asked.
"We dont rent pigs." Augustus McCrae
ABS Master Bladesmith
TGMM Family of the Bow
Dwyer Dauntless longbow 50 @ 28
Ben Pearson recurve 50 @ 28
Tall Tines Recurve 47@28
McCullough Griffin longbow 43@28

Users currently browsing this topic:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
 

Contact Us | Trad Gang.com © | User Agreement

Copyright 2003 thru 2024 ~ Trad Gang.com ©