You go over to the bows section in the classifieds, you'll see a Whippen Stick I have for trade. Now I knew it was ugly when I bought it, but then some other guys told me it was ugly too. Soooo if nobody wants it, I'll keep it and take the grip down a bit to fit my hand better. While I've got the finish off the riser, I'm thinking of dying or staining that brown and tan actionwood riser all black and keeping the red accent stripe just like it is. I've been looking at stains and dyes from General Finishes or HL Behlen, but I've got to check the TG knowledge base first!