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Offline macster

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bandsaws?
« on: November 30, 2009, 06:21:00 PM »
What would be a good size saw to buy for maybe making 4-5 bows a year, if I can handle making the first one. I see craftsman has a 9" bench top model, 1/3 hp, for 100 bucks.

Offline Russell S.

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 06:37:00 PM »
I would check the local classifieds or craigslist,  you can usually find a deal.  i got a free standing craftsman 12" for 50$,  If i had the money i would get a delta, jet or grizzly 14" or bigger.  the wider the blade the straighter you can cut, once you get it throw away the blades that came with it and order some timber wolf blades.  if you call the manufacturer and tell them what you are cutting they will help you pick out the right blade, then weld one up to you.  i called on Thursday had blades on Monday.  and only 5$ apiece more then the craftsman blades...  but cut 100$ better.   if you have trouble finding timberwolf send me a pm and i will send you a link,  i am not sure if it is kosher to put a link up for the place to get them.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 10:56:00 PM »
I found a used 14" craftsman that is in excellent condition with little use for 100.00 by watching Craigslist for a few weeks.It usually does not take long to find a good deal on a used band saw and you can get a much better bang for your buck if you go this way.

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 11:23:00 PM »
you need to get at least 12" saw imo, ya can't go to big

Offline Jason Scott

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 11:22:00 AM »
The bigger the better but I used a 9" Skill brand table band saw from Lowes and made six bows that I even cut my own core laminations with. Just get a better blade (thicker) made at a saw shop for about $15 each and throw away the ones that come with the saw. Get a 6 tooth per inch wood blade and a 14 tooth per inch metal blade for when you will be cutting through glass. Don't let the wood blade touch anything but wood. The 14 tooth blade will look worn out after one bow but keep it anyway, it will last for many bows. The Craftsman you are looking at is even better than the one I use and will certainly serve you well as a hobby saw. I wish I had a bigger saw but it is definately doable with the smaller 9" models.

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 05:20:00 PM »
Thanks for the good info gentleman, cant wait to get started.

Offline Russell S.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 06:10:00 PM »
beware you might not be able to stop!
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 08:30:00 PM »
how about tips on tuning one?   Mine is ok, but really needs to be tweaked just a tad.   I have the craftsmen 12"

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 11:09:00 PM »
Hope I don't get flamed for reviving an old topic.  I'm only on my first bow, but I know a bit about bandsaws.

For starters, if you skimp on your first bandsaw's capabilities because you "only need to do this one task I'm looking at now", you will be sorry later on.  You will find that you can do more things with the bandsaw.  I like the fact that the blade has such a thin kerf that I can choose from a lot more different wood sizes at the yard (NOT Lowes or Home Depot), bring it back to my shop and usually have a good sized piece of scrap and a LOT less sawdust.  My most recent example of this was cutting ¼” x ¾” strips for a boat from 1” x 7” redwood.  I saw a significant savings in cost by the thin kerf.  My bandsaw gets more use than any other major tool in my shop because it’s versatile and I can setup for more larger cuts safely when I’m  alone.

Now, I’ve had cheap blades last for hundreds of feet of cut and I’ve had expensive blades throw their carbon tips after just a few feet.  Blades are sensitive to heat.  The more friction you have, the more heat, and subsequently, less life.  The two major causes of heat on a bandsaw (besides the raw density of the wood) are turning radius of the cut against the blade and the sheer amount of wood you are cutting through.  If you are trying to perform a cut through a thick chunk of wood, you generally want fewer teeth per inch.  If you are trying to perform a curved cut, start with cutting some perpendicular relieve cuts so the blade doesn’t bind.

Next are the adjustments where the cutting takes place.  A good table has the following adjustments:
•   blade guides (for different size blades) above and below the table.
•   rolling blade backing, above and below the table.
•   A blade guard that moves the previous two parts located above the table up and down according to the thickness of cut you’re about to make.

These adjustments are key to blade life because your own machine, no matter what the cost, can literally destroy key components while happily dulling down blades.  The blade guides should always be positioned behind the valleys in the teeth of the blade.  They should also be adjusted (this changes as they wear) so that the blade travels from side to side as little as possible.  This is an easy adjustment above the table; the bottom guides are often neglected because they are harder to get to.  You can also by aftermarket cooler running guides.

The backing bearing keeps your blade from being pushed back to the point where the teeth might come into contact with the guides.  I’ve seen some of these so badly adjusted that pushing a hard cut will take the blade completely off the wheels that drive it.  Again, take the time to adjust this for each different blade you put on and don’t forget the bottom bearing.  When you’ve put a new blade on and made your adjustments, spin the wheels by hand and listen for the blade doing something abnormal.  Run a few scrap pieces of wood through and check your adjustments again to see if anything came loose.

The blade guard is pretty straightforward, until you get into making bows, as I’ve just learned tonight.  The cuts I had to set up went from a thin tip to a thick center.  I’m comfortable enough with my bandsaw that I just set the guard to the thickest part and go.   Normally, I would try to make these cuts first while all the wood is the same dimension going through, but obviously this is not the case with bows!

You should also check the adjustment of your table to the blade.  Raise that blade guard up all the way and take a square to the table and blade.  You can double check this by squaring a line on a piece of wood on both sides of the cut and running it through.  If your blade nails both you’re good to go.

Your table should have a place to put a shop vac hose for dust collection.  USE IT!  A good machine will handle excess dust ok, but a marginal machine will be downright unusable with inches of dust collecting on its insides.

Three more things to consider.  First is power and speed; get at least 1 h.p. and have at least two speeds.  Second is table size; A 24” x 24” inch table is light years better than a 12” x 12”.  Finally, mobility; I’ve just spec’d out a decent size machine and you want a darn good base on wheels that you can drop down just about anywhere in your shop.  I have a hard time not laughing at friends who have setup a really nice machine on a fixed base in the corner of their workshop.

Finally, I love this tool because as I’ve learn how to tune it and use it I get closer and closer to that line I’m cutting.  This means the less elbow grease I have to use “bringing it home” after the cut.  Set a goal for a level of bandsaw based on its capabilities and start saving money for it.  Keep an eye out on **** and Craigslist for one.  Take a friend with you if you’re going to look at a used one at a garage sale or Craigslist; it’s easy to be wearing those rose colored glasses when your goal is within your grasps; your buddy might point out that ripped up wheel or shot bearings on the motor that you might overlook because you’re so close to getting your “dream machine”.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2013, 11:31:00 PM »
ALOT of good advice above. I use my bandsaw alot in bow building and in other hobbies
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 11:35:00 PM »
Brian, welcome to tradgang. Where at in NM are ya located and what kind of bows ya make?

Good advice on the bandsaws by the way
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2013, 09:31:00 AM »
I have used several bench-top 9" band saws and they are toys at best. Don't waste your money. Good advice on bandsaws above.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2013, 04:36:00 PM »
Hi Ralph,  I'm in Los Alamos and I've only started my first bow.  I was racking my brains trying to come up with small projects to work on inbetween the larger ones and making a bow sounds like a lot more fun than another wine rack!

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2013, 04:38:00 PM »
Well next time you make it down to abq send me a message I would like to meet up and see what ya do and for the most part I never met another trad guy I didn't like.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2013, 12:20:00 AM »
Welcome to the Gang,McCool, I don't frequent the Bowyers forum often, but we don't "flame" each other here on TradGang - it's about respect.  So don't worry about reviving an old post.

I am looking for a bandsaw and the others' and your post were very helpful.  
Thanks for bringing it TTT.  These guys can teach you a lot - so ask away.
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 09:11:00 AM »
Back in 2009 I found a used 12 inch Craftsman bandsaw on craigslist, it was only $50. Eric Krewson has the same saw and recommended I install Cool blocks on it, I did.. then I bought a 4tpi carbide blade for it. It has been a good saw and well worth the price. I thought my saw had a 1hp motor...after using it a couple of years I was cleaning it up and  read the motor tag.. 1/2 HP...I found a 2hp grizzly saw in as new shape..I will be using it in the future, I have to upgrade my electric first

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