flem problem...

[hova]

no , not that kind of phlem. i havent smoked for a week.


but i did make up a new string for my longbow today , and did the double loop flemish. everything went well , but the loops seem a little thin. i did 12 strand b50 . with regard to the loops , im going to make up a gig for an endless on the cheap , just to give it a try , but i like being able to make a string with just my hands and a knife.

anyways , when i did the first loop , i made it for the bottom nock , no problems. when i did the top loop , i kept everything as even as i could , but one bundle seemed to be a little looser than the other. i straightened it out and started over keeping them dead even on twists , and furled fine. but there was still a slight slack in one bundle. it ended up going away when i twisted to get brace height , but i dont ever recall seeing anyone mention anything like this..


i didnt use string wax , as i am picking some up tonight , along with some serving , cause the b50 is way thinner than the A.Sinew i used for my original 2 strings , that were twisted the whole way , and a bit too thin for my selfnocks. i am going to pick up a couple glue on points tonight as well as ssome glue on field tips and a sharpener style taper tool if its not 12$ at gander mountain...


sorry to ramble , i just wondered if anyone else had a loose bundle and what you did to solve it....


also , when doing a tie on nock point , i did the 6 over/underhand knots , then a constrictor , but it just doesnt look that pretty. works great , but i just wondered if serving holds its round shape better.


thanks gent's

[Mike Most]

I was going to say cough a little harder.....  

[George Tsoukalas]

After doing the bottom limb put a twisty tie at the end of the spice, take out the twists, stretch it as much as you can by hand, and tie the top loop. If one bundle is a bit longer then I give it a few extra twists until it catches up. Does that help ? Jawge

[hova]

thanks jawge , thats what i was thinking about twisting one a little more , but i didnt want to screw it up...more than usual anyways.


im going to have to do a new one , with silencers put in from the get go , cause when i split the bundles to put the yarn in , i kind of pulled it apart too much and got a little bulge , but its just a slight one. the whole thing will be better with some string wax , im sure of that.


tonight's shopping list:

Serving and a server
bowstring wax
glue on nocks and field points
and hopefully miracles are on sale too...

[PEARL DRUMS]

I twist about an inch past my tapers, then tie it off with a short piece of B-50 to hold the twist in place. Same as George explained with twist ties.

[AKmud]

Building an endless loop jig....  I have a home made one that uses Unistrut for the base.  It works well since the spring nuts slide the length of it easily for adjusting string length.  It is also very strong (probably a little overkill).

[don s]

hova, if you had a little slack in one bundle you may have started your second loop with the string not stretched tight enough. when i cross the two bundles to start the second loop. i will hold that in my left hand and grab the first loop with my right hand and pull in opposite directions and make sure that the two bundles are even and pulled tight. this assures me that i will have equal tension on both bundles which will make up the main body of my string. does this make sense? its sometimes easier to see it done than understand someones thought process.
              don

[frank bullitt]

You can take it apart, straighten out the bundles, and start over again! Wax will help too, especially when starting out.

Are you doing 2 colors, hov? Like said above, after finishing the first loop, and twisting the neck, twist about an inch past your end tapers,  and tie off with string or bread wrap, to keep the twists together.

I always put the first loop at the tie-off, under my foot, remove the twists in the bundles, pull tight and wax the last 10" or so. You could clamp in as vice also or use a binder clip. Anything to keep it tight! Alot of folks use different things!

Keep at it, just takes some practice. It's all fun!

[hova]

what i did was pull lengths of bow length plus a half , just to be on the safe side. then once i had 2 bundles of 6 , i straightened them all out , twisted them up , went back a little and tightened it up , then made my loop.

after that i put a paperclip on it , and it held fine. i straightened everything out , but i didnt really ever account for the stretching part. i just figured id stretch it on the bow , now i see why you pre stretch.

another thing i didnt do , was twist the individual bundles. i straightened them , then went to the other side and started my top loop. i made it about the length of the bow , then twisted it probably around 30 times. it wasnt until i was down past the taper of the top loop that i noticed the slack build in one bundle...i did stretch it a bit then , but i see the err of my ways now.


so stretch after the first loop , straighten and wax .... that sounds like my tuesday salon appointments...


:epicfacepalm:

[SEMO_HUNTER]

Hova, I wax about 8" on the end of each bundle before I ever start to twist them. Then once I twist my first loop and get it braided down to where there are no more ends sticking out, I put a stainless "S" hook in my bench vice and hook my first loop over that. Just to keep it up off the floor and I pull the two bundles tight to make sure they are even before doing my second loop. Once the second loop is finished I put about 8 turns of twist in the entire string and wax it thoroughly from end to end. I take a plastic handle small screwdriver and put through one loop and pull against the "S" hook to set the braids. With this amount of tension on it, they shouldn't come loose. I've never had one come loose yet, and I put as much pull as I physically can on the entire string while holding the loop in the handle of the screwdriver. This locks the braids down tight, and sets them along with the string wax. You gotta wax the braids thoroughly because that's what keeps it in place, then when it's on the bow the tension of the limbs will keep it snug.

The braids should be like chinese handcuffs, the harder you pull the tighter it gets. Plus by pre stretching the entire string and adding some twist to it, I don't get as much stretching while it's on the bow. It will stretch some after about 50 shots or so and you will have to check your brace height again, and probably add a few more twists......then you are good to go.

Hope all that made sense?
That's just my way of doing it and it's what works for me.

[Zradix]

I don't know anything about making strings.

I just want to say !!!CONGRATULATIONS!!!
ON NOT SMOKING FOR A WEEK!

Keep up the fight !
                   

[hova]

yeah the furling of the tapers went fine , i just had one loose bundle. i think a little stretching and some wax to keep it all even should work.

im definately going to add in my silencer yarn before i twist the string any. thats what really did me in.

-hov

and zradix : its been close to two weeks now .the e-cig was just too much to mess with , and then have an atomizer die , or run out of liquid , it was just too much hassle.

swedish snus on the other hand is a snap , as long as i remember to re-up before i run out. havent had but one craving for a cig since the snus , and that was after a knock down argument with the in-laws.