Sounds like I have a chance to make this one work out like I hoped 45@28. The handle and fades are already shaped all that is left now is tillering to weight and draw so it sounds risky but possible. If it breaks I plan on cutting more hickory, oasge, and mulberry in about 2 weeks so I will have lots more to play with. I will let you know how it turnes out. Thanks for the input.